Posted on 04/21/2008 7:29:14 AM PDT by JRochelle
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Shortly after the raid began on the Fundamentalist LDS Church's YFZ Ranch, a group of Mormon missionaries sat down to eat at a restaurant here. A man shouted out "compound!"
"There was this guy. He held up a knife and yelled at us," said Elder Tyler Duffy from Orem.
Some of the fallout from the raid on the YFZ Ranch is being felt by members and missionaries for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While the FLDS Church is not connected in any way to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, some Mormon faithful have said they feel they are being found guilty by association.
"There are some people here that believe anything bad about Mormons and that's what they're going to do," said Charles L. Webb, who serves as president of the Abilene, Texas, stake.
The LDS Church's presence in this part of Texas is small. The Abilene stake covers an area 25,000 square miles in size with about 3,000 members. There are only two LDS chapels in San Angelo, but a number of Baptist and other evangelical Christian churches. It's the polar opposite of Utah, where the LDS Church is the dominant faith.
In repeated statements, leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have differentiated between the two faiths and expressed disappointment that some news media outlets have lumped the two together.
"Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, often called Mormons, do not practice polygamy and they have not practiced polygamy for over a century," Elder Quentin L. Cook, an LDS apostle, said in a video clip the church recently posted on YouTube. The LDS Church has said there is no such thing as a "fundamentalist Mormon," although an estimated 37,000 people who practice it consider themselves as such. Fundamentalists argue that the LDS Church has strayed from its original doctrine by abandoning the practice of polygamy in 1890.
Here in the Bible belt, many LDS members have had to explain the differences in their faiths — the practice of polygamy being the chief example.
Clinton Hudson, a student at Sonora High School, is a member of a Christian student fellowship. During a lunchtime meeting, he said one student said they should pray for the children taken in the raid. Another student said they should "pray for the Mormons."
"I approached her and said, 'They're not Mormons. They're fundamentalists. They broke off from the church' and described our history and how they broke off. It really helped a lot," Hudson said Sunday. "It was a great opportunity to get them to understand there's a difference between them and us."
Not everyone is interested in hearing their explanations.
Duffy said he was speaking with a man interested in converting to the LDS Church. After the raid, the man gave them back a copy of the Book of Mormon, saying he did not want to hear from them again.
"He didn't even give us time to explain," Duffy said.
As they go door-to-door, the missionaries have had to alter their introductions a little to clarify the differences between the two faiths.
"We're not from the church in Eldorado, but we share this message," said Elder Nicolas Librandi, from Murray.
Some have lashed out at the missionaries, blaming polygamy and allegations of child-bride marriages on the LDS Church. But some say there is more interest in the mainstream church, and its message.
"The purposes of God won't be frustrated," said Elder Ryan Bartley, from Carmichael, Calif.
Webb said he has discouraged members from helping out in the name of the LDS Church to avoid confusion between the two faiths, but said they should offer their services as individuals. The local Baptist congregations have contracts to provide relief services in disaster situations.
San Angelo 2nd Ward Bishop Jeffrey Bushman was contacted by a chaplain helping the FLDS women when they were being housed at Fort Concho. The women had requested copies of the Book of Mormon.
He sent them some copies.
"They didn't have anything or bring anything with them, I guess, and they wanted some scriptures and they asked for the Book of Mormon," Bushman said. "I didn't mind. We don't ever mind giving out (copies of the) Book of Mormon to people."
If I had to guess, and I do, it would be that DelphiUser’s church invites in guest preachers who slander and villify the Mormon church. Very much in the vein of the very reverend Wright.
But; its just my opinion.
There is a current study checking the claims of Supposed wives of Joseph. The DNA makes them out to be liars.
“Um, as a Mormon, let me say, yes he did, and what are you smoking?”
From the context of the above comment it would appear that greyfoxx39 is the one doing the smoking.
Joseph preached against Polygamy; his one wife affirmed that she was his only wife. Oh, there were no children by any other women. DNA checks have eliminated lots of liars. Also, many women were married to him after his murder(that’s after he was dead - for you stoners).
Joseph preached against Polygamy; his one wife affirmed that she was his only wife. Oh, there were no children by any other women. DNA checks have eliminated lots of liars. Also, many women were married to him after his murder(that’s after he was dead - for you stoners).
This N00b wants a lesson in Joseph Smith....I'm sure you can oblige. Who has the "wives" chart?
| Wife | Date | Age | Husband* |
| Emma Hale Fanny Alger Lucinda Morgan Harris Louisa Beaman Zina Huntington Jacobs Presendia Huntington Buell Agnes Coolbrith Sylvia Sessions Lyon Mary Rollins Lightner Patty Bartlett Sessions Marinda Johnson Hyde Elizabeth Davis Durfee Sarah Kingsley Cleveland Delcena Johnson Eliza R. Snow Sarah Ann Whitney Martha McBride Knight Ruth Vose Sayers Flora Ann Woodworth Emily Dow Partridge Eliza Maria Partridge Almera Johnson Lucy Walker Sarah Lawrence Maria Lawrence Helen Mar Kimball Hanna Ells Elvira Cowles Holmes Rhoda Richards Desdemona Fullmer Olive Frost Melissa Lott Nancy Winchester Fanny Young |
Jan 1827 1833 1838 Apr 1841 Oct 1841 Dec 1841 Jan 1842 Feb 1842 Feb 1842 Mar 1842 Apr 1842 Jun 1842 Jun 1842 Jul 1842 Jun 1842 Jul 1842 Aug 1842 Feb 1843 Spring 1843 Mar 1843 Mar 1843 Apr 1843 May 1843 May 1843 May 1843 May 1843 Mid 1843 Jun 1843 Jun 1843 Jul 1843 Mid 1843 Sep 1843 1843 Nov 1843 |
22 16 37 26 20 31 33 23 23 47 27 50 53 37 38 17 37 33 16 19 22 30 17 17 19 14 29 29 58 32 27 19 14 56 |
NONE NONE George W. Harris NONE Henry Jacobs Norman Buell NONE Windsor Lyon Adam Lightner David Sessions Orson Hyde Jabez Durfee John Cleveland NONE NONE NONE NONE Edward Sayers NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Jonathan Holmes NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE |
| * Living Husband at the time of Marriage to Joseph Smith |
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Yes, you are RLDS. Interesting.
Oooooooooooooooooooooo
How I miss Elsie..
:(
It is considered by most to be extremely conservative since Compton only included women for whom there was undisputed evidence from two or more sources.
Many put the total far higher. For example, Fawn Brodie names Smith 56 wives in her classic biographic biography, No Man Knows My History.
I have a first edition of Brodie’s book. But I thought it best to post the most conservative list since the poor uneducated in Smithism mormons are already in shock when they learn that there are so many and that many of the women were still married to living men and that many of the women have sworn to the fact that their relationship with Joe was sexual, albeit usually brief.
me too :(
HURRY BACK< ELSIE!!
Hey! That list got posted quickly. Even Elsie wouldn’t have had it up faster! [Sheesh, I’m chopped liver, Elsie! You better get your rear back here quickly.]
In the list the ages etc dont corespond...
The lines are out of whack...
Picky, picky picky ... the husbands and wives names match on my screen. [See, LC, they just can’t be pleased. Get your sorry butt back here! Tough crowd ...]
I’m picky, yes...
Elsie is perfection personified...
The second string is failing to meet the high standards set by Elsie
:)
Pay no attention to that, LC, your head is already not fitting your hats. It’s all ‘absence makes the heart grow fonder’ ... Yeah! That’s it, they miss you so you’re now an immortal!
How much longer???
You probably know Fawn Brodie had extraordinary access to secret Mormon archives through her family connections -- her uncle was LDS President David McKay and her father was the President of BYU. She was careful not to use any information in her histories that was not in the public domain. But she also said on many occasions that her tally of 56 vastly understated the number of Joseph's conquests.
Also, as you probably know, Joseph's most effective approach was to ask a young lady if she wanted to spend eternity in heaven or hell. The outcome depended on the degree to which the woman pleased her prophet.
"It?" "It??" "It has also borne witness to me...?" What? The Holy Ghost, rarely mentioned in much of Mormon theology, is so unfamiliar to you that HE's an "it?"
Allow me to introduce you to HIM. HE--the Holy Spirit--can be...
Grieved (Eph 4:30)
Outraged (Heb. 10:29)
Lied to (Acts 5:3)
Tempted (Acts 5:9)
Sent ("I will send Him unto you" -- Jesus, John 16:7)
The Holy Spirit...
Loves (Rom. 15:30)
Wills (1 Cor. 12:11)
Sends (Acts 13:4)
Forbids certain actions (Acts 16:6-7)
Teaches ("HE shall teach you all things" - Jesus, John 14:26)
The Holy Ghost isn't some impersonal influential power.
(Examples like these show that when the LDS kicked out the Trinity, they often kick out who the third Person of God is)
Wow. I am amazed.
You might be taken to the woodshed on Free Republic by your LDS and RLDS masters. You have come here and stated things that are clearly wrong and only hurt "The Cause."
Remembering the Wives of Joseph Smith
That list isn't even complete and the number of Smith's "wives" is as high as 60.
Eleven of Smith's wives were between ages 14 and 20, nine were in their 20s...
That is from LDS "scholars."
Smith also had hundreds of women "sealed" to him after his death, but these were different women.
There is ample evidence he "preached against Polygamy" as you said - but even more evidence that he practiced it.
Even Freepers like DelphUser agree he practiced polygamy and had sexual union with them. < grin >
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