She got out - and the story of the "Alpha Females" clawing at her as she tried to get her kids in the van at 4 am is riveting.
I thank God she is out of that hell.
Posted on 04/18/2008 8:38:05 AM PDT by DFG
When Texas authorities seized 416 children in a raid on a compound of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Americans quickly learned that the religious group encourages polygamy and the marriage of young girls to older men. Escape, a memoir published last fall, offers a more detailed portrait of life with the FLDS. In the book, Carolyn Jessop, a sixth-generation polygamist describes her life as the fourth wife of Merril Jessop, who ran the recently raided Texas compound. Carolyn left Merril in 2003, before he moved to Texas, but her memoir sheds light on the man and on the beliefs and practices common within the insular community. Below, Slate flags Carolyn's most intriguing, strange, and heartbreaking allegations.
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
Yep it was me. Rah rah siss boom bah.
This is the ultimate sin to modern society and must be destroyed at all costs. A patriarchal model where the husband/male leader sets the rules. To reach this goal, politically-unpopular male-led societies must be shown to be criminal and 'mean'.
It wasn't a defense. I was making the point that politically-unpopular male-led societies are being used against the patriarchal model because male authority must be destroyed at all costs and replaced with a matriarchal model. Consider that if males have no authority beyond what women agree with, then we do have a matriarchal society.
"No, thanks. Where men set ALL the rules, women have no rights. I'd rather not be ruled by the likes of the FLDS henchmen and "prophet."
Well, extreme positions can go be proposed both ways. Let's see if I can emulate your example. "Likewise, where women set ALL the rules, men have no rights. I'd rather not be ruled by the likes of the Rosie O'Donnell and 'prophet' Oprah Winfrey."
If you don't see the extreme abuse in this kind of "patriarchy," I can only make some assumptions that would probably get me banned if I listed them. And honestly, there is nothing you can say that would make me believe that you don't support this, so please don't bother trying.
And I never claimed that they did. That was a requirement that you made up.
"I asked you in a response to the Freepmail you sent to me a copy of the Admin Mods mail (if there was one) as proof that you were warned to not debate anymore, and you never responded."
Again, I never ever claimed that the Mod sent me such an email. You are the only one who has made such a claim.
I will post no more on this thread.
>>It included 15 year olds<<
???? The chart says it excluded them.
Which one of em was still playing hide the salami with him? Right, the young one with the sick look on her face.
I didn't make anything "up."
You told me that "the debate but the moderator has decided that I must stop."
I said the mods didn't tell you to stop posting, and you obviously had not been banned - so send me a copy of what the mods sent you telling you that could not talk anymore.
It was all a ruse.
I only post that because you brought it up here on the forum, not me.
Then you left and wouldn't answer the question about whether Joseph Smith violated Christ's teachings.
Now you have refused to answer for the forth time and are telling us you won't post anymore on this thread.
But, I bet you will spring up again like a virus on another thread - yes? What will your excuse be if you don't like a question or to respond to LDS inquiries? Your dog ate your homework? Cat got your tongue?
Do us all a favor.
Either come here to talk freely, or don't come at all. If you want the luxury of drifting in and out and then beating a path for the front door when things do not go your way, then you really are just wasting everyone's time.
She got out - and the story of the "Alpha Females" clawing at her as she tried to get her kids in the van at 4 am is riveting.
I thank God she is out of that hell.
Fruit from a poisoned tree......look, you’ve seen enough TV that every bad guy gets off when the resulting information gathered from a false supposition (assertation, allegation, etc.) is eventually proved to be false.....
If you were a young girl that was AFRAID she was pregnant, you would be counting DAYS since your last period. If you were regular as clockwork, and were two weeks late, you would be pretty sure of pregnancy. You could very well say you were two weeks pregnant.
As a woman who had children before "the pill" I can guarantee a couple of weeks would be a sign. Those children are not allowed to practice any birth control.
>>there was no reason for them to go younger<<
So you claim that before FLDS, there were never any marriages, informal or otherwise, under the age of 15? Note that, if some historian were to do charts about marriages in 2000-2008, none of the FLDS underage people would be in any official marriage records.
I believe that some of the children (perhaps not all) in the El Dorado compound were victims of despicable and illegal child abuse. And while I do think that this kind of abuse was more tolerated in the past, that does not make it right, either now or then.
Slavery was, in some parts of the country, legal and generally accepted 150 years ago. If your family and neighbors all thought that slavery was acceptable, it would be more difficult to see that it was wrong. You might think of the time that your neighbor took your mother to the doctor, rather than than the fact that he beat his slaves cruelly. Slavery, although it was practiced by people who had virtues in many other aspects, was nonetheless an evil institution.
I hope that some day that people in this nation can look back with shame on the days when abortion was widely tolerated and had very few legal restrictions. In fact, you probably know that the abortion industry in some cases helps child rapists by not notifying the authorities.
you keep insisting that polygamy, no matter how many wives or whatever form, is somehow God’s will and a “blessing” from God.
You are in error sir. My insistence is that there is no scripture that shows having more than one wife (polygamy) is against God's will (sin). You have yet to show otherwise. So lets make this simple for you - show me where having a second wife is against God's will. Show me a single verse of scripture where a Prophet or an Apostle or Jesus himself condemned a man for having a second wife.
Great post, MM.
People did many things in the Bible that were NOT according to God’ perfect plan, but he allowed them.
Sarah caused thousands of years of problems due to her lack of faith.
God allowed Israel to choose a king, although He did NOT want them to have one.
God’s perfect plan is CLEARLY monogamy.
Amen.
I’ll answer your question with a like question. Does a man who is married commit lust in his heart when he lays with his wife?
And the defense of polygamy beat goes on....placemark. Thornton, CO, huh?
Are you aware of the requirements for NT head of a church, bishop, or other leadership in the Apostolic established Church? Are you a Mormon?
Are you serious?
I mean really?
You are actually asking me this question?
I never said that the laws of the United States are against polygamy. And I whole heartedly agree that sex with minors should not be allowed and should be fully prosecuted under the law. In fact, I would prefer that the various state not allow anyone under the age of 18 to give consent and as such should prosecute under statutory ALL cases of minors who are pregnant, not just going after a specific religious group.
Actually, the lead is serving time for performing a marriage service for a 19 year old to a 14 year old, which under Texas law, requires approval of a Judge.
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