Posted on 04/18/2008 8:38:05 AM PDT by DFG
So you still don't believe her because she is a 'woman?'
>>There is big difference between a church and a cult. Here is a list of danger signs:
1. They control by fear, intimidation. If you don’t listen, then...
2. They seek to isolate you from the evil outside world
3. They seek to set you against anything that is against them
4. You cannot question their authority, or you’re OUT!
5. They especially love to get a hold on your children!
6. They often have a “prophet” whose authority is final<<
So Mohammedans belong to a cult?
I wonder if anybody would think that 1/4 of all teenage girls being infected with at least one STD ('children' in comparable terms for purposes of this issue) is the result of a 'cult and beliefs being presented as "normal" from birth'?
I wonder if anyone would think that the only difference between their beliefs and the polygamists beliefs is the fallacy of appeal to popular opinion?
I wonder if anyone realizes that the day is coming when they will not be able to teach their children that homosexuality, pre-marital sex or abortion is wrong without having them removed from the home for 'child abuse' and 'cult indoctrination'?
Does anyone realize that the people who would destroy societal norms by supporting free sex, abortion and homosexuality by minors are using the polygamists to set the standard that anyone who believes differently than the 'mainstream' can have their kids taken away? Does anyone realize that this precedent is being set to be used against the larger group in exactly the opposite way that it is being put in place with this small group.
Do the conservatives on FR realize that they are being manipulated into supporting a gov't action that will someday be used against them?
” . . . explain to me why all threads on this issue are trolled by a ping list”
Sorry, didn’t know that ping listees are trolls.
People have different views, and joing ping lists accordingly. Since when is it a crime to express disagreement in free debate?
That’s the freedom we have. I suggest if you wish to learn more about this topic, shut up and read both sides/follow up on sources provided. Then, perhaps, you will also learn the true definition of “troll” as used on FR, is just about the biggest insult you can fling in mixed company.
No. He STARTED one.
I can't either but that elicits howls.
What mother/child bond? Have you not read how this cult operates? Those kids don’t know who their mothers are.
As soon as the DNA testing is done determining which child is the biological offspring of which mother, then I don’t have a problem with them giving the child back to the mother.
I do have a problem with them releasing a child into the custody of just anybody.
They had four young men on. They were trying to show how unfair the boys were treated. Here are three of the four cases...
1. Boy was living off site at 15 years of age. Was told not to return to Eldorado
2. Boy would go out partying and wouldn't stop, asked to leave the farm
One of these kids got in trouble for watching too much television. The fact that televisions are on the farm means that some television must be allowed. It brings to question if the kid wouldn't do schoolwork or other duties, and was incorrigible. It at least left some question...
3. Boy had voluntarily left the farm ten years ago, never say any abuse of young women at that time, only 18 year olds and up were marrying...
Some of this stuff is very one-sided and open to some common sense type of questions that need to be asked before you get to the bottom of the situation.
I have never cared much for the one-sided attempts by the media to get to the bottom of things, and not just in this case.
Based on these standards global warming is a cult too.
They are already in CYA mode.
That's not CYA mode. That's typical of law enforcement. If they find unconcealed evidence of a crime while working under a search warrant (which they had) for another crime, then they have the right to act on that.
I have no patience for people that abuse other people, men, women or children but I have seen what the state can do. The state and cops, as much as we love them and need them are not always right!
I really feel sorry for all these kids and their moms. They just want to be left alone.
Bud, are you telling me you have looked at that compound and came away with the idea that those kids couldn’t be taken into a separate room and asked questions? The kids could be instructed that if they were in fear, they could be removed from the farm. They could have been assured that the parents would not be informed of the conversations prior to the child being removed if necessary.
This whole think stinks to high heavens. The men abuse the kids and then the government abuses them to fix it.
This is simlar to my impression. There is no doubt in my mind that the FLDS is evil but not, I believe, for the same reasons the government thinks they are. The larger cult is eating the lesser cult. Set us up the bomb. All your child are ours.
Trolling threads was intended to mean a group of folks who go from POLY thread to POLY thread accusing anyone who questions the government’s actions or the evil of Polygamy of all manner of sorts of ad hominum attacks.
It’s the same bunch....here they are.
If you want civil discourse on the subject then by all mean go ahread, you can start now.
It’ funny how in the same thread you waxed about expressing disagreement in debate and then told me to shut up in the next paragraph.
Ansel, what do you call it when someone is taken into custody and forced to stay in an enclosed area? While charges are obviously not filed against these kids, they are non the less in custody.
This is the correct complaint, but the wrong conclusion.
The correct conclusion is to end the subsidies, not to give the gov't the right to raid groups who are using the subsidies whose behavior does not match that which the gov't does not approve.
That precedent will be used against you sooner than you think.
Nobody arrested the children.
Slow down, take a deep breath.
Read through some more threads on the topic.
“But I don’t know much about these polygamy groups today and know little about it’s relationship with Mormonism either.”
Well then, read and learn and then post...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=175#175
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=207#207
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=218#218
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=220#220
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=252#252
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=253#253
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=286#286
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=288#288
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999328/posts?page=300#300
Informant: Men had sex with underage girls in FLDS temple
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999244/posts?page=29#29
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999244/posts?page=93#93
Sorry wardaddy.
You think too much.
We must punish you for failing the ‘unthinking acceptance’ test.
/sarc
This isn’t about religious persecution, this is about lawbreaking; like polygamy, rape, incest, child abuse, beatings (assault), welfare fraud,....
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