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Why your loved ones have left NY
Lockport Union Sun and Journal ^ | 14 April 2008 | Bob Confer

Posted on 04/14/2008 6:52:53 AM PDT by bobconfer

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1 posted on 04/14/2008 6:52:53 AM PDT by bobconfer
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To: bobconfer

Perhaps they have talked to friends that moved to NC and DON’T pay $10k a year in property taxes. We transferred workers from NY and they were stunned to find out that their property taxes were only about $1200. They would complain that our schools were underfunded compared to Ny schools which always made me ask “If your schools were so good up North, why did all of you send your kids to private schools?”.


2 posted on 04/14/2008 6:59:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: bobconfer

East coast socialism and the accompanying rampant environmental nonsense, should open grand growth opportunities in the more intelligent and sane, free market-oriented states in the south and midwest.

That is, if the citizenry of those states are able to keep the least among them, that being their elected “leaders”, from creeping toward destructive socialism and big government entitlements themselves.


3 posted on 04/14/2008 7:01:43 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: bobconfer

now multiply this company by 10,000 times and over 40 years....I left in 83 and never looked back


4 posted on 04/14/2008 7:02:58 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: bobconfer

The proletariat fleeing the Peoples Republic of New York. Beware concrete wall construction activities.


5 posted on 04/14/2008 7:04:11 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: bobconfer

Still waiting for the 200,000 jobs Hillary Clinton promised.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 7:05:16 AM PDT by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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To: bobconfer

The Left has been destroying America with their “Good Intentions” since the 1950’s.


7 posted on 04/14/2008 7:06:52 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Tin eared zeroes and Hollypukes comin...)
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To: bobconfer

The teachers unions OWN ALL the politicians. It’s not uncommon for folks to pay $10,000 a year JUST for the school tax portion of local property taxes.


8 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:16 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: bobconfer

Imagine that...if the Gov-MENT raises the
cost of doing business the affected companies pick up and relocate
somewhere else to be more profitable! I guess anywhere else
this news would be shocking but at FR its a well established
FACT!

Wonder when the Rats and RINO’S are gonna figure this out.
For me I guess I will grab my gun and go to Church.


9 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:40 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: bobconfer

Dittoes, can’t argue with any of the points made in your article. The article should definitely leave a mark on any who read it, both those in the positions of power and those who elected them (and their ilk) over the years to get NY in the described high-tax, high-cost situation.


10 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: bobconfer

I am from Rochester NY. The job market is terrible here. Kodak and Xerox are shedding jobs quicker than Obama is shedding decency. Thanks Hillary Clinton and those 1000K jobs you promised for upstate NY, you b1tch!


11 posted on 04/14/2008 7:10:52 AM PDT by FUMETTI (Barack Obama's supporters are mindless sheep)
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To: Eurale

Upstate NY is actually very conservative, except the cities of Rochester and Buffalo.


12 posted on 04/14/2008 7:11:41 AM PDT by FUMETTI (Barack Obama's supporters are mindless sheep)
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To: bobconfer
since 2000 the Rochester area has lost over 7,300 of its residents

I'm one. Shall I count the reasons?

- Property taxes. Moving to GA, I got 3x the house for 1/2 the taxes.
- "Revenue enhancement" traffic laws. A relative got a very normal speeding ticket (a traffic-flow-consistent 11 MPH over the insuitably low posted limit), which over three years was repeatedly & retroactively enhanced to a cumulative $500.
- Disarmament. Ever-increasing pressure to disarm, which just facilitates criminals. AWB, ballistic fingerprinting, NY CCW invalid in NYC, etc. just keep adding up.
- Toll road abuse. Tolls were to be eliminated ("we promise!") when the Thruway was paid for ... when finally achieved, rates went up significantly.
- Thousand-cuts legislation. Everything is regulated, presume you're violating something somehow.
- Meaningless votes. If you're outside NYC, your vote statisitcally doesn't matter.
- Business suppression. Between taxes and late governor & AG Spitzer's "protection racket" approach to business, what's the point of businesses staying?
- Obselescence. Buffalo is rusting into oblivion. Rochester's anchor companies (Kodak, Xerox, B&L) are fading away, far from their glorious heydays. Albany is little more than gov't. NYC hardly acknowledges the rest of the state exists. The writing is on the wall.

And that's just for starters. "Empire State" indeed.

13 posted on 04/14/2008 7:18:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: bobconfer

So how come HILLARY hasn’t been dealing with this issue while she’s been a NY Senator ??? Easy for her to trounce around the country telling other States what she plans to do to help their businesses and job market. How come she hasn’t been concerned about her own “home” State ?? Geeesshhh.


14 posted on 04/14/2008 7:20:12 AM PDT by Live Free NH
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To: T-Bird45
The article should definitely leave a mark on any who read it, both those in the positions of power and those who elected them (and their ilk) over the years to get NY in the described high-tax, high-cost situation.

It will leave a mark on neither group. The politicians could care less, since they are virtually guaranteed re-election from the dopey masses that keep putting them into office. As for the voters, there are many clueless people living in this area. They know what they know, and that is about it. Their main concern is how much beer they'll consume on the weekend. They have an innate distrust of business and capitalism, and will always vote Democrat because of this distrust. WNY is a sorry joke, and I can't wait to leave it.

15 posted on 04/14/2008 7:21:59 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (We need a new, conservative party to get back to a two-party system.)
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To: bobconfer

The largest sector of the economy in the Buffalo-Niagara Area is the government and the largest single employer is now SUNY Buffalo.


16 posted on 04/14/2008 7:26:24 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Major Matt Mason

I understand your perspective that it does seem hopeless and that perhaps the best solution is the one decried in the article. The economy here in OK is going well, might want to consider it when choosing your next home.

BTW, I am in full agreement with you sig-line!!


17 posted on 04/14/2008 7:28:59 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: The Mayor; neverdem; SunkenCiv; BIGLOOK

Thanks to high taxes, foolish regulations, a worsening energy crisis and an ever-growing government, the cost of doing business in New York is the second highest in the United States,


18 posted on 04/14/2008 7:29:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Obviously what is needed is a tax on former NY residents to continue to support infrastructure and social programs. It’s not fair for young people to avail themselves of free education and social services while growing up and stating families, and then fleeing the state when it comes time for them to pay their fair share of taxes.


19 posted on 04/14/2008 7:29:05 AM PDT by vollmond (Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!)
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To: bobconfer

Think things are bad in NY? When IBM was debating where to build their new fab they chose NY because building it here in VT the permitting would have taken at least 10 years.


20 posted on 04/14/2008 7:33:50 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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