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1 posted on 04/14/2008 6:52:53 AM PDT by bobconfer
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Perhaps they have talked to friends that moved to NC and DON’T pay $10k a year in property taxes. We transferred workers from NY and they were stunned to find out that their property taxes were only about $1200. They would complain that our schools were underfunded compared to Ny schools which always made me ask “If your schools were so good up North, why did all of you send your kids to private schools?”.


2 posted on 04/14/2008 6:59:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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East coast socialism and the accompanying rampant environmental nonsense, should open grand growth opportunities in the more intelligent and sane, free market-oriented states in the south and midwest.

That is, if the citizenry of those states are able to keep the least among them, that being their elected “leaders”, from creeping toward destructive socialism and big government entitlements themselves.


3 posted on 04/14/2008 7:01:43 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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now multiply this company by 10,000 times and over 40 years....I left in 83 and never looked back


4 posted on 04/14/2008 7:02:58 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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The proletariat fleeing the Peoples Republic of New York. Beware concrete wall construction activities.


5 posted on 04/14/2008 7:04:11 AM PDT by Eurale
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Still waiting for the 200,000 jobs Hillary Clinton promised.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 7:05:16 AM PDT by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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The Left has been destroying America with their “Good Intentions” since the 1950’s.


7 posted on 04/14/2008 7:06:52 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Tin eared zeroes and Hollypukes comin...)
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The teachers unions OWN ALL the politicians. It’s not uncommon for folks to pay $10,000 a year JUST for the school tax portion of local property taxes.


8 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:16 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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Imagine that...if the Gov-MENT raises the
cost of doing business the affected companies pick up and relocate
somewhere else to be more profitable! I guess anywhere else
this news would be shocking but at FR its a well established
FACT!

Wonder when the Rats and RINO’S are gonna figure this out.
For me I guess I will grab my gun and go to Church.


9 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:40 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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Dittoes, can’t argue with any of the points made in your article. The article should definitely leave a mark on any who read it, both those in the positions of power and those who elected them (and their ilk) over the years to get NY in the described high-tax, high-cost situation.


10 posted on 04/14/2008 7:08:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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I am from Rochester NY. The job market is terrible here. Kodak and Xerox are shedding jobs quicker than Obama is shedding decency. Thanks Hillary Clinton and those 1000K jobs you promised for upstate NY, you b1tch!


11 posted on 04/14/2008 7:10:52 AM PDT by FUMETTI (Barack Obama's supporters are mindless sheep)
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since 2000 the Rochester area has lost over 7,300 of its residents

I'm one. Shall I count the reasons?

- Property taxes. Moving to GA, I got 3x the house for 1/2 the taxes.
- "Revenue enhancement" traffic laws. A relative got a very normal speeding ticket (a traffic-flow-consistent 11 MPH over the insuitably low posted limit), which over three years was repeatedly & retroactively enhanced to a cumulative $500.
- Disarmament. Ever-increasing pressure to disarm, which just facilitates criminals. AWB, ballistic fingerprinting, NY CCW invalid in NYC, etc. just keep adding up.
- Toll road abuse. Tolls were to be eliminated ("we promise!") when the Thruway was paid for ... when finally achieved, rates went up significantly.
- Thousand-cuts legislation. Everything is regulated, presume you're violating something somehow.
- Meaningless votes. If you're outside NYC, your vote statisitcally doesn't matter.
- Business suppression. Between taxes and late governor & AG Spitzer's "protection racket" approach to business, what's the point of businesses staying?
- Obselescence. Buffalo is rusting into oblivion. Rochester's anchor companies (Kodak, Xerox, B&L) are fading away, far from their glorious heydays. Albany is little more than gov't. NYC hardly acknowledges the rest of the state exists. The writing is on the wall.

And that's just for starters. "Empire State" indeed.

13 posted on 04/14/2008 7:18:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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So how come HILLARY hasn’t been dealing with this issue while she’s been a NY Senator ??? Easy for her to trounce around the country telling other States what she plans to do to help their businesses and job market. How come she hasn’t been concerned about her own “home” State ?? Geeesshhh.


14 posted on 04/14/2008 7:20:12 AM PDT by Live Free NH
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The largest sector of the economy in the Buffalo-Niagara Area is the government and the largest single employer is now SUNY Buffalo.


16 posted on 04/14/2008 7:26:24 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: The Mayor; neverdem; SunkenCiv; BIGLOOK

Thanks to high taxes, foolish regulations, a worsening energy crisis and an ever-growing government, the cost of doing business in New York is the second highest in the United States,


18 posted on 04/14/2008 7:29:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Think things are bad in NY? When IBM was debating where to build their new fab they chose NY because building it here in VT the permitting would have taken at least 10 years.


20 posted on 04/14/2008 7:33:50 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Leftist policies make life uncomfortable for normal, productive people and comfortable for the beneficiaries of our good will. When the hard workers leave a state, the liberals will try to get the federal government to tax them and send the money to the liberal government so it can waste the money and demand more.


21 posted on 04/14/2008 7:39:54 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Bob - Hello from a Buffalonian. WNY is like Eastern Europe. Everyone knows the problems, but those who can leave, while a larger portion of those who remain have in some way bought into the existing system. Therefore, change does not happen.

There is one way to force this change - seperation between New York City, and the remainder of Upstate. Make NY City a self-governing entity, perhaps similar to DC. Allow New York upstate to form its own state. It would change the politics and economics of Upstate NY in a radical way. Upstate NY could find the freedom from downstate politics, Gov’t unions, etc... and control its own resources such that it could become a “normal” state, like nearby Ohio.


22 posted on 04/14/2008 7:44:02 AM PDT by PGR88
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Here is a map that displays county-to-county migration data for 2000-2005 from the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. It was originally created for an article about migration from the Buffalo, New York area to Charlotte, North Carolina. But it will do any county in the US.

Moving From County to County Interactive Map

23 posted on 04/14/2008 7:49:58 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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I'm a retired New Yorker. My property tax is OVER 10% of my my pension. That goes for cops and schools [mostly]. We have volunteer firemen. No town water. No garbage pick up [and I have to buy town bags to get my trash into a dump my taxes, in part, pay for].

My school taxes have gone up 19% in two years. They're anti-business, so no jobs for the young, who leave. They float environmental bonds every year, and we're at least 12 mill in the hole on those.

Our state taxes are a joke. Gas is about $3.50 per. When an upstate Republican proposed a plan to give some temporary relief, the NYC Dems shot it down. They don't drive, and they want the money. In NY they tax everything but the air. And they're working on that.

My Mom just died last week, and she was the only reason I've stayed. By next year, I'm either going south, or west, but I AM leaving. New York is a disaster.

24 posted on 04/14/2008 7:50:43 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Hey Bob.... Guess who this is.... Click on my screen name.


26 posted on 04/14/2008 8:12:13 AM PDT by The Mayor ("A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps" (Prov. 16:9))
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