Posted on 04/13/2008 8:57:18 PM PDT by claudiustg
SAN ANGELO — A Texas judge on Sunday ordered law enforcement officials to immediately confiscate all cell phones in the possession of FLDS women and children now housed in temporary quarters here. "I just called to say, hi. They are about to collect the phones, I think," one soft-spoken FLDS woman said during a telephone call to another member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church who was outside of the shelter. "I don't like what they're doing."
Several of the women inside the shelters spoke by cell phone to the Deseret News on Saturday to describe the living conditions there. Children could be heard crying in the background of each conversation. The News published an article on Sunday, quoting the women who complained there was no privacy and that their children were getting sick.
FLDS faithful outside the shelter are convinced Sunday's court order is a direct result of the women speaking to the newspaper.
"This is nothing more than retaliation of Child Protective Services to punish those who were disclosing what is really happening behind the walls of this concentration camp," said Don, an FLDS member who asked that his last name not be used. "These are my family members."
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
Okay, so if they are criminals...then why aren’t they arrested and charged.
Or heck, maybe you prefer to just send them to Gitmo and not even charge them... Hey, if it’s so important that they are kept away from anyone, and you’re so sure they are guilty criminal perverts, what’s your excuse for not just going all the way?
And when done with that answer, maybe you can explain why you can’t just leave America alone and go to one of the statist dungheaps on this globe that think like you? Why is it that the anti-rights crowd always has to try to take America down and can’t just be happy where their systems are already in place?
What if they 'go back' and those who were 'weak' are punished? How many lives could be taken? Its just all commentary are discussion here...those folks in TX have lives and safety in their hands...and I am guessing they don't want a 'Guyana' on their consciences...
No...they'd have to follow the law and proper procedures to do that. That's too hard, I guess.
Sad to say, that people here are condemning the government’s actions when they are defending the same actions prepetrated by the cult.
The government can’t take away cell phones, but it’s OK to leave these women in a cult where the slave owner leaders take away their cell phones.
The government is being condemned for *breaking up families*, but it’s better for these women and children to stay in that compound where the slave owner leaders break up families by reassigning children and wives at whim.
The government is being condemned for not allowing the women and children freedom to go where they want, but I see no one condemning the cult leaders for not allowing the women and children to leave when they want.
All we hear is how bad the government it being and how it would be better to have left them alone when the cult is doing far worse and it’s being defended because it’s their *religious beliefs*.
So why is it acceptable for the cult to do these things but not the government?
Because the government is evil.
Always. Even now, it can’t be right. Ever.
Why don’t you learn what you’re talking about here?
Perhaps you could google up some information on the United States and learn about our country first.
We know what they do to the children and we have known for a long time, that is how we got the leader last year, his conviction was for those practices, but legally cults, even child rape cults are difficult to bust, but we can sure express hope that the law succeeds.
What they do is a most vile thing, and should cause at least some degree of angish in every American. “Warren Jeffs, the sect’s prophet and spiritual leader at its longtime headquarters in the dusty, side-by-side towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., was charged in 2005 and 2006 with forcing underage girls into marriages. He was convicted in September in Utah of being an accomplice to rape and is serving up to life in prison."
How would conspiring or coercing (that eternal damnation threat) not be charged. They know there are underaged, pregnant girls which constitutes Statury Rape. How then does the fabrication of names, dates, marriages not impede the investigation of that crime alone? And we are not even to the welfare fraud yet...Telling a witness (and those women were taken from YFZ so they are witnesses to what occurred there) is conspiracy? Witness tampering?
I just thought we might have some arrests, trials and convictions before taking people away and holding them incommunicado.
A lot of what I’m hearing here convinces me of my premiss that we are never more than a step away from the concentration camp. I should remind everyone that a certain German government put forward the proposition that Judaism wasn’t so much a religion as a criminal conspiracy, before depriving those people of first their rights, then their property, then their freedom, and finally their lives.
Of course it was for everyone’s good...
So you’re willing to let this situation continue because you’re concerned that someday, maybe, you think that your rights just might be infringed on?
You’re free already. They had none.
They do now, or at least a whole lot more than they ever had in their whole lives.
You just don't know our nation, if anything I imagine most of us are finding your casual attraction to that comparison a little frightening.
You and I will have to agree to disagree on that. Cases like this are exactly how the rights of all are infringed on, and eventually eroded away. LEO and courts are not allowed to change or bend the rules in order to go after anyone, no matter how serious their crime. They should not be able to do so in this case either.
If nothing else about this concerns you then you might want to think about all the criminals who are set free because their rights were violated and proper procedures not followed. Will you be as happy about the way things are being done here if the criminals in this case walk away scott free because of the way things were handled?
I don’t know if media reports are even true- I trust the media less than I trust most others. If the report of the judge ordering the women’s phones confiscated and the way some of the other parts of this have been handled, and they are not under arrest or other lawful detention then it is likely the case won’t hold up, and is possible some guilty people will be able to get out of paying the price for their crimes.
The children are out of there, and in the custody of Child Protective Services, that is the important thing. Now authorities need to be cautious and take their time to do this investigation the correct way so anyone they do charge will likely be convicted and the conviction will hold up. That’s their job and it is what I expect the authorities to do in this case.
Wow. We should have just left those women and children in that compound and closed our eyes to the whole thing?
So what if they’re raped, abused, brainwashed, whatever?
What business is that of the government’s?
Just wow.
“The women are free to leave, and they are also free to speak to the media. “
which is more freedom than they had at the FLDS compound.
Multiple wives would never be my dream. One girl at a time has always been about all I can mentally handle.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
So, just throw out the Constitution? These women are not charged with any crime, and as far as I can tell, no men have been charged with any crime other than interfering with the raid. I haven't kept up though, so by now some might have been.
Apparently the state CPS intends to try to terminate the parental rights to all those 41 children. It will be a legal nightmare. Each child will need a lawyer, dozens of judges will be required just to hear the cases. The last time a raid like this occurred, was n 1953, when Arizona Gov. Howard Pyle sent in more than 150 troopers and police in a pre-dawn raid on the polygamist community known as Short Creek on the Arizona-Utah border. More than 120 men and women were arrested, and some 260 children were removed. In the end they all were released, and allowed to return to their community.
Even those men that are eventually charged with the abuse, if any are, will have the right to face their accuser in open court.
Then they will have the "right" to spend the rest of their lives in a Texas prison. Given a guilty verdict on such abuse charges, I wish a more severe punishment were possible, after a nice due process trial, but at the present time, it's not.
Many of you are assuming that every negative thing you’ve heard about these people is true and further that the magnitude of the evil is such that it justifies extraordinary (extralegal) measures to eradicate.
I find that frightening.
My understanding is that the operation is being run by Baptist Child and Family Services.
"The state action launched a response more typical for the aftermath of natural disasters. Kevin Dinnin of Baptist Child and Family Services, which honed its skills helping the victims of Hurricane Katrina, is overseeing the sheltering operation. That effort, Dinnin said, includes medical care, food and accommodations.
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