Posted on 04/13/2008 8:20:52 AM PDT by ZacandPook
It was apparently a former colleage at SAIC. Dr. Hatfill criticized the guy in a meeting, and the guy held a grudge thereafter. (I don't remember if Dr. Hatfill told me that, or if it was his friend Pat Clawson. I think it was Clawson.)
Dr. Rosenberg and her followers believed the Bush administration was behind the attacks. They just didn't have a specific person to point at. They asked around and the guy from SAIC evidently offered up Hatfill as a possiblity.
Starting with a belief, they just looked around for evidence to support that belief.
All the "evidence" they found, of course, turned out to be just suspicions, innuendo, rumors, irrelevant and/or just plain false info.
Thank you for your information. It just shows how hard it is to get accurate information through the news media, particularly when the government, and I’m guessing here, do not really want people to know.
On the contrary. There is absolutely NOTHING point to Dr. Hatfill.
He was taking Cipro for some kind of infection he had. A doctor had prescribed it for him weeks before 9/11.
He was NOT up to date on his anthrax shots, as people claimed.
He never worked with anthrax.
He didn't have access to anthrax while at USAMRIID.
He didn't have the "bench skills" to make the powder found in the senate letters.
He didn't have unsupervised access to the equipment needed to make the powders.
He has witnesses who will testify that he was working on the days of the mailings. And on the Sunday before the second mailing he was at a wedding. He was no where near the place the letters were mailed and had never been in that area.
It's seen as irrelevant. It has nothing to do with violations of the Privacy Act. The lawsuit is ONLY about government violations of the Privacy Act.
I'm really amazed at how many people just work themselves into some kind of hatred for Dr. Hatfill, and when it appears that he's innocent of the anthrax mailings, they STILL want to punish him for something --- anything. It's really creepy.
The guy was apparently a blowhard. He liked to make himself seem more important than he really was. Most people don't see that as a good reason to destroy his life forever.
What did you think of Brian Ross’ claim that Spertzel said that Patrick and Hatfill were the two who could make it. Was Mr. Ross misremembering? Was Dr. Spertzel mistaken? Did he mean William Patrick and someone else? Brian Ross says Patrick wavered all over the place — first saying he couldn’t make it, then saying he could, then just generally being upset and saying the FBI had misled him.
Attorney Connolly is quite emphatic that Dr. H never worked with anthrax but mistaken that sophisticated equipment is needed (although of course the word “sophisticated” is vague).
Also, with respect to the suggestion Dr. H did not have access to anthrax, note his deposition testimony relating to where he worked relative to where anthrax was stored. Does that constitute a lack of access?
Fishtalk, suffice it to say that a learned District Court judge has said that there is not a “scintilla of evidence” that he is responsible for the crimes.
I think we can comfortably best rely on the District Court’s written conclusion. Not a “scintilla of evidence” is very strong legal speak meaning there is not a triable issue of fact.
I wouldn't trust anything that Spertzel had to say on the subject. He claimed that the powder was so sophisticated that it would take him YEARS to recreate it, assuming that he was given a staff to help him. But actual experts who know about spores say it was just "ordinary stuff." And the FACTS say it was just "ordinary stuff" that almost any expert microbiologist can make.
Also, with respect to the suggestion Dr. H did not have access to anthrax, note his deposition testimony relating to where he worked relative to where anthrax was stored. Does that constitute a lack of access?
Working in the same building or even near a lab where anthrax is used does NOT mean you have access to anthrax. Dr. Hatfill didn't have the security clearances needed to get into any area he wanted. Presumably, anthrax is kept under lock and key and not just laying around. He wouldn't have the keys.
No, he didn’t say it would take him YEARS. He said it would take him a year.
On access to Ames, you say he worked in the same building and you presume anthrax was kept under lock and key.
So your claim he did not have access is something you presume.
So a more accurate statement is that there is no evidence he ever worked with or possessed anthrax even though he worked in the same building and had an anthrax simulant behind the lettuce in his refrigator.
Why did he have BT in the refrigerator? Was that in preparation for teaching first responders at LSU or was he already teaching first responders?
“He didn’t have the “bench skills” to make the powder found in the senate letters.”
I though you said just about any biology student could make this stuff? That it was routine, nothing special?
He didn't survive for long. Richard Jewell died at the age of 44.
Doesn’t the sworn testimony Rex Stockham, BS, MFS, Supervisory Special Agent assigned to the FBI Laboratory’s Evidence Response Team Unit, totally destroy Ed’s theory as to the bloodhounds?
When you are a “true believer” like Ed, FACTS that contradict your beliefs are usually turned into reinforcement of these beliefs - no matter how outlandish.
Ed’s theory as to Dr. H is that he PRESUMES/ASSUMES he did not have access.
Yet in his theory as to the former Battelle employee who worked in ordinance he ASSUMES he did have access — even though the guy thought anthrax was a virus and is not even a microbiologist.
Moreover, where the Arab News and others assumed Zack was jewish, Ed mistakenly assumed the politics of the former Battelle employee.
Ed’s theory is the same “bioevangelist” theory as BHR’s. He just has a different person in mind and is relying on his (false) assumptions rather than any sort of checking of facts or documentary evidence.
You really need to learn one of these days not to take everything that you read as the gospel truth, because many of the facts you're spouting out here are nothing but nonsensical rumors.
Isn't it also something stated over and over in court documents? I recall reading something about how he didn't have the security clearance to go just anywhere at USAMRIID and would have to have an escort if he wanted to go somewhere other than the specific lab where he worked.
I don't have the time to argue minutiae.
Why did he have BT in the refrigerator? Was that in preparation for teaching first responders at LSU or was he already teaching first responders?
What difference does it make? He was teaching soldiers how to recognize bioweapons-making equipment. He was planning to teach first responders. It would not be out of the ordinary for someone to have a sample of a harmless simulant like BT if he was planning to teach first responders or soldiers headed to Iraq.
Hatfill seems to be the type of person who would collect anything he felt might be helpful in doing his job -- particularly if that required TEACHING people. He had oddball pieces of equipment in his office. People made a BIG deal about him having some kind of soda-can size fermenter on his desk. And you make a big deal of him owning a silencer. Both seem to be something he'd acquire if given a chance. They'd be things to talk about.
That was by Joby Warrick. While there has been some great reporting — like Shane’s article on bloodhounds — I think Joby Warrick has nudged ahead in giving us the best anthrax articles such as this exclusive A1 story from November 2006.
Suspect and A Setback In Al-Qaeda Anthrax Case
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006103001250
Now if Warrick teamed up with Susan Schmidt to bring Amerithrax across the finish line, that would be a formidable team. Popkin at NBC could come up on the outside. It was MSNBC that had the isotope ratio story.
“I don’t have the time to argue minutiae.”
LOL - that’s hilarious coming for you.
We’ve all been exposed to your playbook here already. When FACTS are released that you don’t like you invent outlandish FBI sting operation conspiracy theories that support your beliefs. It’s entertaining to watch. Your delusions of self-importance are hilarious to witness.
Just a few messages ago I stated "the FACTS say it was just 'ordinary stuff' that almost any expert microbiologist can make."
That's not the same as "any biology student." Do you have to distort things in EVERY message you post?
“Just a few messages ago I stated “the FACTS say it was just ‘ordinary stuff’ that almost any expert microbiologist can make.” “
So - that means any expert microbilogist - EXCEPT Hatfill. Have I got that right?
Stuart,
Are you saying Dr. H had a bioreactor on his desk?
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