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'Sky-High' Oil Prices to Last Until 2020
Aftenposten ^ | 11 Apr 2008 | staff

Posted on 04/12/2008 7:20:50 AM PDT by kellynla

The world is now in a period of sky-high oil prices that will last a long time—probably until 2020, according to the world's largest investment bank. Senior analyst Gioavanni Serio in Goldman Sachs, visiting Norway, told participants in an energy seminar that the oil industry moves in 20-year cycles, reports finance industry newswire E24.

The price for American raw oil rose to a record-high USD 112 per barrel this week after new figures revealed a surprising decrease in storage the week before.

Brent oil from the North Sea also rose to new highs, selling for USD 109 per barrel.

In the long-term, oil prices reflect marginal costs to the oil industry," said Serio at a yearly energy seminar held by Wilhelmsen at Lysaker outside of Oslo. "The oil price and marginal costs stayed low in the 1990s. Now that it has become far more expensive for the oil producers to retrieve oil, the price is going to rise correspondingly," he predicted.

The Goldman analyst does not think oil demand will increase significantly but he pointed to "bottlenecks everywhere". He said: "Oil companies are lacking professionals and rig rates have exploded from around USD 100,000 per day in 2002 to USD 500,000 per day this year."

Serio expects oil prices to fall in the short-term, to about USD 90 per barrel, but said it is "unrealistic" that the price would fall under USD 70 per barrel in the coming years. By the end of 2008, he expects the price to be well over USD 100 per barrel.

However, not everyone shares Goldman Sachs' bullish predictions. Italian oil giant ENI's CEO Paolo Scaroni said last week he believes oil prices will fall as a result of increased production.

"We expect the oil price to fall to USD 50-60 per barrel, a price that will provide for global growth," said Scaroni in an interview on Italian TV.

The Norwegian economy has boomed on the back of soaring prices for Norway's oil and gas amid a general world economic downturn.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: crude; energy; gasprices; oil
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To: kellynla

2020 must be when the financing note on the oil futures they financed will be paid off....


41 posted on 04/12/2008 8:12:23 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Again, it is you who have no clue about what you are talking about. You are basing your opinion (underlined) on conflicting reports that are mostly clueless in their own respect.

The FACTS are, nobody knows the true nature of the reserves in the Williston Basin. It is based on pure speculation from all parties involved.

The formation in question also has barely a 5% recovery rate on the average, so those estimates are not very reliable.

I work closely with the USGS in handling their estimates because we drill mostly on BLM lands. Many of the wells that were drilled there were expected to yield huge volumes based on those estimates, but the actual recovery rate was marginal.

You really have much to learn, but what you lack in knowledge, you certainly make up for in arrogance.


42 posted on 04/12/2008 8:13:15 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Here is another example that demonstrates you complete wrong.

We have the resources right here in a single field to replace what we buy from Saudi Arabia. We will not do it because the Saudi pay out political class not too. You have to wonder how much Saudi money is going to fund our “enviromental” groups since they are the Arabs best weapon against us.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/770968/posts

43 posted on 04/12/2008 8:13:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Deo volente
How many new refineries have been built in the last 30 years? NONE.

Time to update.

44 posted on 04/12/2008 8:14:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
The scarcity of oil is a myth.

Same with diamonds but the price never comes down?
Sad, but I think it's going to take some "angry mobs" in the street to influence our leaderships thinking?

45 posted on 04/12/2008 8:16:48 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: thackney

Its a gutsy call to go out 12 years, but Goldman has been on the money more times than not.


46 posted on 04/12/2008 8:16:52 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

How did they do predicting today’s prices or those of 1998-99 twelve years before?


47 posted on 04/12/2008 8:19:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kellynla

48 posted on 04/12/2008 8:20:18 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
You really need to learn your emotion based opinions are not facts. Perhaps it would be best if you spend less time posting your personal opinions as statements of fact and a lot more time learning the facts.

Your opinion, backed up by your self published claims of expert status based on claims of a wholly unprovable professional background, are not facts. They are merely your opinions. For all we know your "35 years in the business" was as the Administrative Assistant to the Accounting Manager of a local convenience store chain. That would be "in the business" but would also explain your fundamental ignorance of basic industry facts.

When the facts are presented, you merely regurgitate your opinion over and over and over. That is a useless exercise in ego. So either you are trolling for a fight or you just being obnoxious. Which ever it it is, you lose.

49 posted on 04/12/2008 8:21:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Deo volente
How many new refineries have been built in the last 30 years? NONE.

No, but we have expanded a lot of existing ones.

50 posted on 04/12/2008 8:22:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MNJohnnie

Arm-Chair Engineers like yourself are a dime a dozen.

I guess my entire career wasn’t real. But thanks for telling me all about it..... I’ll take your information for what you think it is.


51 posted on 04/12/2008 8:24:36 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: thackney; Deo volente

REFINERY CAPACITY UNIT COMPLETION


EAST COAST (PADD 1)

CONOCOPHILLIPS CORP. (COP.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Bayway, NJ 5,800 bpd FCC N/A Revamp, conversion up 4 percent CDU N/A Revamp
SUNOCO INC. (SUN.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Phila., PA 15,000 bpd+ FCC Apr-07 Costs rose from $300 million to $520 million amid industry-wide cost pressures and design changes 40-50,000 bpd HDS early-09 up to $275 million to convert an idle HCU to process heating oil into ultra-low sulphur diesel
VALERO CORP. (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Del. City, DE 20,000 bpd CDU N/A Company seeking permits

MIDWEST (PADD 2)

BP PLC (BP.L: Quote, Profile, Research)
Whiting, IN N/A refinery 2011 $3 billion revamp to increase heavy crude processing, motor fuels output to rise 55,000 bpd
COFFEYVILLE RESOURCES
Coffeyville, KS 15,000 bpd CDU late-06
FLINT HILLS RESOURCES
Rosemount, MN 50,000 bpd CDU Q4-07 N/A DCU N/A Larger coker drums being installed
FRONTIER OIL CORP. (FTO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
El Dorado, KS N/A CDU/VDU Q2-08 $50 million heavy crude revamp 2,500 bpd DCU Q2-08 Two new coker drums 5,000 bpd FCC Q2-09 $78 million expansion HTU Q2-09 $77 million expansion
MARATHON OIL CORP (MRO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Catletssburg, KY N/A refinery N/A 150,000 bpd heavy oil project. Conceptual study started
Detroit, MI N/A refinery N/A Convert refinery to run 100,000 bpd heavy oil. Front-end engineering studies underway
Robinson, IL N/A refinery N/A 180,000 bpd heavy oil project. Feasibility study started.
MURPHY OIL CORP (MUR.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Superior, WI N/A refinery N/A Seeking Canadian oil sands partner for possible expansion
SINCLAIR OIL CORP.
Tulsa, OK 30,000 bpd DCU 2009 40,000 bpd refinery N/A Planned expansion, no timetable
SUNOCO
Toledo, OH 20,000 bpd CDU Jun-07 $40 million expansion, on budget 10-15,000 bpd HCU end-08 $30 million expansion 20,000 bpd CDU 2008 On hold due to costs 24,000 bpd FCC 2008 On hold due to costs
WRB REFINING LLC (ConocoPhillips and EnCana joint venture)
Wood River, IL 32,000 bpd GDS 2007 S-Zorb unit 70,000 bpd CDU 2009 CDU, DCU projects are $1.9 65,000 bpd
DCU 2009 billion first phase of oil sands N/A CDU/DCU 2013 Further 100,000 bpd bitumen $2 billion capital cost
WYNNEWOOD REFINING (GARY-WILLIAMS ENERGY)
Wynnewood, OK 15,000 bpd CDU Q1-07 20,000 bpd DHT N/A

GULF COAST (PADD 3)

CHEVRON CORP. (CVX.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Pascagoula, MS 16,000 bpd FCC Late-06 Completed December 2006 N/A CCR N/A Permitting underway, construction to start in early 2008 if approved. Replaces two older reformers, boosts gasoline output by 12,000 bpd 200,000 bpd refinery N/A Applied for permits. Work seen in 2008, 2009
HOLLY CORP. (HOC.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Navajo, NM 15,000 bpd CDU Q4-08 revamp 20,000 bpd HCU Q4-08 $225 million total outlay N/A CDU 2011 40,000 bpd heavy crude revamp
MARATHON OIL CORP. (MRO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Garyville, LA 180,000 bpd CDU Q4-09 $3.2 billion expansion 44,000 bpd DCU Q4-09 70,000 bpd HCU Q4-09 65,000 bpd CCR Q4-09 47,000 bpd KHT Q4-09
MOTIVA ENTERPRISES LLC (RDSa.L: Quote, Profile, Research)
Pt. Arthur, TX 45,000 bpd DHT 2008 Construction began June 2006 325,000 bpd refinery 2010 Decision expected in 2007, some long-lead time equipment ordered
PASADENA REFINING SYSTEM INC.
Pasadena, TX N/A refinery 2010 revamp to run 70,000 bpd Marlim N/A CDU N/A future 100-200,000 bpd expansion
PLACID REFINING COMPANY LLC
Port Allen, LA N/A FCC Q2-08 Gasoline output increased 7,000 bpd N/A CDU Q3-08 Heavy oil revamp 25,000 bpd CDU N/A Planned expansion
TOTAL SA (TOTF.PA: Quote, Profile, Research)
Pt. Arthur, TX N/A DCU 2009 $1 billion project studied
VALERO ENERGY CORP. (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
C. Christi, TX N/A ISE Q2-07 MTBE unit conversion
Houston, TX N/A HCU Q2-07 Mild hydrocracker
Pt. Arthur, TX 75,000 bpd CDU Q1-07 completed and in operation 125,000 bpd refinery 2009 $1.3 billion project, engineering underway, not yet sanctioned
St Charles, LA 50,000 bpd refinery N/A Permitting underway
Tx. City, TX 20,000 bpd CDU N/A Expansion canceled on costs 12,000 bpd DCU N/A Expansion canceled on costs
WRB REFINING LLC
Borger, TX 20,000 bpd DCU Q2-07 Bitumen phase 1, $500 million debottleneck refinery 2009 Bitumen phase 2, $300 million 54,000
bpd CDU 2012 Bitumen phase 3, $600 million

ROCKY MOUNTAINS (PADD 4)

CONOCOPHILLIPS
Billings, MT 10,000 bpd CDU/VDU Q2-07 Heavy crude capacity up 46,000 bpd
FRONTIER
Cheyenne, WY 4,500 bpd DCU Q3-07 $89 million expansion N/A CDU Q2-07 $8 million revamp
HOLLY
Woods Cross, UT 5,000 bpd CDU Q4-08 15,000 bpd HCU Q4-08 $100 million for both projects
SINCLAIR
Salt Lake, UT 60,000 bpd DCU 2009
Sinclair, WY 20,000 bpd CDU late-06 20,000 bpd DCU late-06 coker purchased from idle refinery

WEST COAST (PADD 5)

BIG WEST OIL LLC
Bakersfield, CA 19,200 bpd FCC 2008 $680 million conversion capacity 25,000 bpd DHT 2008 project to double CARB diesel and 9,000 bpd ALK 2008 gasoline output.
CHS INC. (CHSCP.O: Quote, Profile, Research)
Laurel, MT 15,000 bpd DCU Aug-08 $325 million
CONOCOPHILLIPS
Ferndale, WA 25,000 bpd DCU N/A Adds 25,000 bpd heavy oil capacity 5,000 bpd CDU N/A
Rodeo, CA 20,000 bpd HCU 5,000 bpd CDU
Los Angeles N/A DCU N/A/ Revamp, clean yields up 2 percent
TESORO CORP. (TSO.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Los Angeles N/A DCU N/A revamp N/A DHT N/A revamp
Martinez, CA N/A DCU N/A Conversion of existing fluid coker,costs as high as $525 million from $275 million initial estimate
Anacortes, WA 25,000 bpd DCU canceled July 2006 on costs N/A refinery H2-07 $34 million sour crude revamp
VALERO
Benicia, CA N/A DHT Q3-07 ULSD unit, $105 million
Wilmington, CA N/A ALK Q4-07 $195 million project

KEY: FCC: Fluid Catalytic Cracker; CDU: Crude Distillation Unit; VDU: Vacuum Distillation Unit;
DCU: Delayed Coker Unit; DHT: Distillate Hydrotreater; HTU: Hydrotreater; HCU: Hydrocracker; CCR:
Catalytic Reformer; KHT: Kerosene Hydrotreater; GDS: Gasoline Desulphurization Unit; ALK:
Alkylation unit ISE: Iso-Octene unit


52 posted on 04/12/2008 8:27:47 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Capt. Tom

isn’t it interesting that the price of crude went from less than ten bucks a barrel in 1999 to over a hundred bucks in the time that the “oil president” has been in office...
thanks for your “leadership”, Jorge...like his father, GW has managed to squander a 90% approval rating!


53 posted on 04/12/2008 8:29:14 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: antivenom

Man, if my business goes bust I think I know what I will do for 3-5 years!


54 posted on 04/12/2008 8:30:44 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Your opinions are in error. That has been prove here. Your opinions do not triumph over the facts. Please get over yourself.
55 posted on 04/12/2008 8:34:42 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The problem is our political class has surrendered to a bunch of well funded hyper activists “eviormental” pressure groups who have a total Luddite view of how the world should work.

The biggest donors to those "Luddite" groups are the tax-exempt, "chraritable" foundations belonging to major oil company stockholders, and always have been.

56 posted on 04/12/2008 8:35:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: thackney

I wasn’t subscribing to Goldman’s newsletters in 1996 since chasing bunkering opportunities on the Great Lakes held most of my attention. Thursday, Goldman predicted a $10/MM floor on gas this summer, which is a pretty good bet.


57 posted on 04/12/2008 8:36:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
there are billions pouring in because it is government controlled but there are not those billions pouring out. The project is nothing more than an experiment like ethanol

What? The Alberta Oils sands have been in continuous commercial production for over 40 years. They produced their billionth barrel back in 1998.

Oil Sands History
http://www.syncrude.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=5657

In 2006 Alberta’s oil sands were the source of about 62 per cent of the province’s total crude oil and equivalent production and about 47 per cent of all crude oil and equivalent produced in Canada.

Annual oil sands production is growing steadily as the industry matures. Output of marketable oil sands production increased to 1.126 million barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2006. With anticipated growth, this level of production could reach 3 million barrels per day by 2020 and possibly even 5 million barrels per day by 2030.

Alberta.ca > Energy Home > Our Business > Oil Sands
http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/OurBusiness/oilsands.asp

The experiment stage ended decades ago. It is not government controlled but investor owned commercial facilities.

The industry is investing over $150 billion in Alberta oilsands in new facilities and expansions.

Inventory of Major Alberta Projects
http://www.alberta-canada.com/statpub/albertaConstructionProjects/mpindex.cfm
Scroll down, select “Oilsands” and click “Submit”

58 posted on 04/12/2008 8:39:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Smokin' Joe
The formation in question also has barely a 5% recovery rate on the average

Joe: I thought you said you were seeing 10% recovery rates in the Bakken. Do I remember that correctly?

59 posted on 04/12/2008 8:40:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kellynla


60 posted on 04/12/2008 8:42:35 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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