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To: neverdem
A question. Are not the liberties in The Bill of Rights, unless specified by law, protections from the actions of government and not private citizens? For example if an employee publicly criticizes his employer, his firing cannot be prevented by claiming free speech. But if the employee is a mailman and his employer the USPS, that employer's right to fire are far more limited because of the First Amendment and the employer's role as agent of the government.

If I run a bar and wish to throw out someone who constantly uses my place for loud harangues against society, I have the right. If, as the same owner, I wish to prevent my patrons from being armed in my place of business, I have that right as well.

I believe zealously in the Second Amendment. Without it, the others are perishable. But that protection should be from the actions of encroaching government power. It should not be, nor do I believe it is, a license to carry my weapon anywhere with no regard for the consideration of the private property of others.

3 posted on 04/11/2008 2:10:51 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: xkaydet65
“A question. Are not the liberties in The Bill of Rights, unless specified by law, protections from the actions of government and not private citizens?”

That does not mean that they don't need protection from the actions of private citizens.

From the Declaration of Independence: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men.”

We institute Governments to protect our rights from the actions of others.

We have Bills of Rights to protect our rights from the actions of governments.

When there is a conflict of rights, we have legislative bodies, courts, elections and so forth that are supposed to come to an equitable arrangement.

5 posted on 04/11/2008 2:38:12 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: xkaydet65
"I believe zealously in the Second Amendment. Without it, the others are perishable. But that protection should be from the actions of encroaching government power. It should not be, nor do I believe it is, a license to carry my weapon anywhere with no regard for the consideration of the private property of others.

If you invite the public onto your private property here in Florida you can't legally prevent the carrying of licensed concealed weapons. There is a list of prohibited places in the law (bars are one of them) but most public places are not.

7 posted on 04/11/2008 3:04:06 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: xkaydet65
A question. Are not the liberties in The Bill of Rights, unless specified by law, protections from the actions of government and not private citizens?

Yes.

It should not be, nor do I believe it is, a license to carry my weapon anywhere with no regard for the consideration of the private property of others.

This purpose of the law is to prevent employers from violating the private property, the vehicles of the employees, IIRC.

9 posted on 04/11/2008 3:24:03 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: xkaydet65

Offer the wives/girfriends/dates of accompanying off-duty police officers a free drink in you establishment and advertise it. That should take care of your problem whether or not any actually show to take advantage of the offer.

Anyone drinking there will assume that one or more of your customers are off-duty cops.


10 posted on 04/11/2008 4:16:11 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: xkaydet65
But if the employee is a mailman and his employer the USPS, that employer's right to fire are far more limited because of the First Amendment and the employer's role as agent of the government.

That's why the founders envisioned a small government of limited powers, not the sprawling monstrosity that we have today.

11 posted on 04/11/2008 4:29:31 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: xkaydet65
I believe zealously in the Second Amendment. Without it, the others are perishable. But that protection should be from the actions of encroaching government power. It should not be, nor do I believe it is, a license to carry my weapon anywhere with no regard for the consideration of the private property of others.

Your car is your property, not the property of others. What lawful property is in your car is your business, not the business of the person in whose parking lot you park it.

12 posted on 04/11/2008 4:31:06 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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