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To: MrB
Don’t condescend. Atheists/Evolutionists tend to be a bit smug and assume that their theories haven’t been studied by their detractors.

Someone who had studied evolution wouldn't label it "random".

Yes, random mutations with survival pressures.

Translation: Non Random.

When there is no survival value to any sub-mutation, the “selection” process does NOTHING to cause this sub-mutation to pass on.

That's right. But when there *is* a survival value the selection process does contribute to passing on the mutation because the critter survies to reproduce, and thus information is accumulated.

109 posted on 04/07/2008 12:46:09 PM PDT by Captain Pike
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To: Captain Pike
Sorry, your attempts to dismiss my study of this issue are in vain. I know from which I speak. Knock it off - it's a "liberal" "debating" tactic that I'm immune to.

But when there *is* a survival value the selection process does contribute to passing on the mutation because the critter survies to reproduce, and thus information is accumulated.

No. I cannot be "accumulated" if there is no survival value of the sub RANDOM mutations. Yes, the mutations ARE random (again, knock off the pedantry - all discussions of natural selection speak of random mutations coupled to natural selection), and theoretically, those that provide some sort of advantage will be passed on.

However, a NON-WORKING PARTIAL FLAGELLUM will not be passed on, because it offers NO advantage, and is probably a disadvantage. On the other side, a fully working flagellum does provide advantage, but is not possible in its entirety through slight mutations. "Slight mutations" is the exact wording of Darwin.

Again, Darwin himself stated that if any structure was not possible through slight, random mutations that offer incremental survival value, then his theory would be disproved.

112 posted on 04/07/2008 12:56:08 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Captain Pike
"But when there *is* a survival value the selection process does contribute to passing on the mutation because the critter survies to reproduce, and thus information is accumulated."

Mathematically untenable, with a probability of something like 1 in 10^400 or so. ('impossible' to the 20th power)

130 posted on 04/07/2008 8:53:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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