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To: metmom
I Said: Some assume that Adam was given one wife, therefore we all should only have one wife.

U Said: Sorry, you lost me here, right at the beginning.

Assume Adam only had one wife?!?! That's what it says in Scripture. Thinking that he had more is a great assumption with absolutely no backing. Pretty presumptuous.


Some times Striving for accuracy causes major pains in the Backside, now I'm gonna have to bring this up.

The Jews have a tradition that Adam had a wife before Eve, Lilith was supposedly created at the same time as Adam and was therefore equal with him, She left after partaking of the fruit and Adam stayed and was alone. I really don't want to get into the details of these stories (there are several versions) because I don't believe the story is accurate, but some believe that Adam had more than one wife, and I didn't want to bring it up, so can we just assume he only had one please? If you want to know more Google +Adam +Lilith and leave me out of it.

U Said: Don't you think that if God had created more, He would have told us? Not necessarily, go read the stories to see why.

U Said: Otherwise, He's lying when He said He created Eve and "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife (SINGULAR), and the two will become one flesh".

Tell me, IF I am buying a news paper, do I have to say newspapers because I bought one yesterday? Similarly, if I (heaven forbid) were marrying a wife today would the ceremony be plural just because I had another wife already?

I don't think so, I think such games of semantics are more a way to assuage feathers ruffled by some thing that goes against cultural norms and is thus uncomfortable to even discuss.

Can I make it clear that I am not defending the pervs in Texas, what they did was against the Laws of the United states, they were also immoral in forcing young girls into marriage, there are so many things there that it is hard to separate them, but I am trying to do so and recognize that I will continue to get railed upon as if I was defending these guys and I'm not they should get the max sentence, have their charges tattooed on their foreheads and be released into general population in a long term facility.

BTW, thanks for the tone, you actually asked for clarification instead of just jumping up and down on me, it was a nice change of pace.
3,117 posted on 04/14/2008 11:08:48 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
The Jews have a tradition...

Yeah, they sure do...


Mark 7:1-9
 1.  The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and
 2.  saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed.
 3.  (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders.
 4.  When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles. )
 5.  So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with `unclean' hands?"
 6.  He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
 7.  They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'
 8.  You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
 9.  And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
 
 
 
Mark 7:13
  Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
 
 
Galatians 1:13-14
 13.  For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
 14.  I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
 
 
 Colossians 2:8
 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
 
 

3,147 posted on 04/15/2008 5:25:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
they should get the max sentence, have their charges tattooed on their foreheads and be released into general population in a long term facility.

I like the way you think. Problem is, they'd have to shave their heads to get that much information tatooed on them. Maybe their back would work better....

3,154 posted on 04/15/2008 6:01:18 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DelphiUser
The Jews have a tradition that Adam had a wife before Eve, Lilith was supposedly created at the same time as Adam and was therefore equal with him, She left after partaking of the fruit and Adam stayed and was alone.

Tradition is just tradition. It's not part of accepted Scripture, the Torah and all. The OT and NT have been basically unchanged for thousands of years. The Dead Sea Scrolls demonstrate how accurately they have been handed down. Once the canon was established by the early church fathers, that about settled it. There's too much controversy over the additional writings that some accept and others don't, for my comfort. I'm not going to take the chance and run into error.

Does that mean that maybe I'm missing some truth? I suppose technically it could but you know what? What's in the Bible that we have now is more than enough for me to manage. I could spend my entire life in a monastery studying it and still come up short on all it has. I don't need to spend time on stuff that is questionable.

Could I be missing truth? Maybe, but after the lifetime of study of the Bible as we have it, I'd still be missing truth. It's simply not possible to NOT miss truth because I'm finite and human and God is God. There's no way to know Him in His totality.

For the record, I think the Bible is complete as it stands and do not give any consideration to extra-Biblical teachings. I do not think they are reliable and therefore do not think that it is safe to give them the confidence that I give the OT and NT.

3,156 posted on 04/15/2008 6:13:05 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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