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To: prayforpeaceofJerusalem; Enosh
I bring these up because those two books were fully used and accepted,and are both used for information which is in the OT and th NT; and Enoch was called a prophet of God, and nothing he writes in Enoch 1 contradicts one thing in the OT or NT, but does explains much., With those two books -which anyone can read for themselves today- all false doctrines taught by any religion which uses the OT and or NT, are fully refuted.

False religions make much of using the OT and or NT, but they twist them into unrecognizable forms to confound and confuse the simple minded -or the willing to be misled ones- but they are shown to be false when the books mentioned are brought into the light, for comparison to the OT and NT; for they preceded all and leave no room for falsifying either the OT or the NT.

First, neither book was accepted into the canon. False religions also make much of extra-canonical documents and elevate them to an equal status as the Bible. 1 Enoch is by at least 5- 6 different authors, 'extant' Jasher a forgery. Therefore these writings do not bring anything to light. There is no need to supplement the scriptures with these because all false doctrines can be refuted easily with the scripture we already have in the bible.

2,936 posted on 04/13/2008 6:35:40 PM PDT by Godzilla (We are the land of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Godzilla; prayforpeaceofJerusalem
"There is no need to supplement the scriptures..."

This is why I thought to bring up the point to Jeru. They are entertaining and I tend to think they contain bits of truth, but they cannot be trusted as a whole. To do so would lead to the same trap Mormons fall into.

For example, if we believe that the Nephilim arose from divine mated (physically) with human, why not Jesus? (As Mormons blasphemously claim.)

2,940 posted on 04/13/2008 7:29:15 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Godzilla

I have dealt with different groups who claim to believe the Bible, for years, but who twist Scripture to suit themselves. Enoch 1 refutes all twisted Scripture and the doctrines of all who claim to be Christian, but who have a man-made religion which is not founded on the Word of God, Enoch makes the doctrines of the Word clear and explains the points of:

the Person and work of Jesus Christ;
everlasting lake of fire, who it was made for and why, and who gets a part in it and why, and how to escape it;
hell beneath earth and who went there and what conditions they are held in, there, and how long they would/will remain there;
the doctrines of demons, who and what they are, why they roam earth, when they will be removed and how and by whom and where they will be removed to;
The preappointed days, seasons, for all things, and the number of days appointed for this present creation, before the regeneration of all things, and what happens before that;
the reason for the cleansing of the earth by the flood, of every living soul but those on the ark;
the great tribulation which is to come, and the events that will occur during it’s time, and that it is the time of the second consumation of sin on earth, before the reign of peace;
the regeneration of the heavens and the earth;
the duties of the angels; their orders, the chief one’s names;
who the twelve crowned elders in Rev are, who are not human beings, but who are watchers, holy ones who did not fall and who intercede for men, in order that Zion, the City of God above, which is inhabited by elect angels [those who did not fall] and spirits of just men made perfect who were born again in Spirit when Jesus atoned for all Adam, descended, and rose with them, taking them to the City of God above, where they dwell since then, and where all the righteous born again in Christ and innocent babies and children who die before the age of accountability join them, to wait for the resurrection of the bodies in regenerated form, which they and we who are born again receive at the same time [which is called the ingathering of Pentecost, the first harvest of earth’s adopted sons of God in the New Man’s name].

That city of God, which is Zion of the Spiritual realm,is where the righteous dwell, and where Enoch saw, far off, the Watchers [-gaurdian angels] interceding for men, and where Enoch longed to go to, and was granted the desire, and so, he was transformed and was taken on ahead to that city of God in the heavenlies over this earth, and “was not”.

About canon: that is not a valid argument, as accepted canon has been different for different Christian groups in different parts of the world in different times, since the NT Chuch was formed; and the Holy Spirit did not change His mind and decide, about three hundred years after Jesus quoted Enoch, and his womb brothers quoted Enoch, and John, Paul, and the author of Hebrews quoted Enoch, that Enoch was not inspired after all.

The Ethiopian Coptic Church has kept Enoch in it’s “canon” from the beginning, so it was preserved for the Church, there, and in these last days has been translated into English [for the last two hundred years].

since Much in the NT is right out of Enoch, and no where else, then Enoch is validated by the LORD and NT authors and early Church writings of Christian believers, and is useful for doctrine.

http://gbgm-umc.org/UMW/BIBLE/canon2.stm
“Whose Canon? Which Bible?
Biblical scrolls
Protestants tend to think there is only one Bible—ours.
Actually different religious groups of the Judeo-Christian tradition have different biblical canons.”


2,947 posted on 04/13/2008 7:49:59 PM PDT by prayforpeaceofJerusalem
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