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I Said: How about a simple yes or no?

U Said: Yes

so Abraham was polygamous, God specifically approved of him and blessed him for his righteousness while he was polygamous, thus polygamy is not a sin or God could not have done that. God does not change, therefore, since it was OK with God then, it's OK with God now.

You go on in your post talking about the whys and wherefores and it's really not germane to my point, there are no exceptions to sin, you do what God says when God says it or you are in opposition to his will it's simple.

I am now going to give you guys a whole bunch more ammo, because I am being 100% honest in my thoughts and beliefs. I'll start with some definitions:

Kiddery - The marrying of children either to each other, or to an adult - is a sin.
Adultery - Sex between people not legally and lawfully married (most restrictive interpretation I can manage both law of the land and law of God, if you are recognized by one and not the other, tough, no sex.) Unmarried children who practice this before marriage hurt themselves and their future spouses, Married people hurt their families wife, Children, etc and there will be children if they are keeping God's commands unless there is a medical problem (then they should consider adoption...).
Polygamy - The legal and lawful (both by God's law and Secular Law) union of one man and multiple women
Divorce - The cessation of a marital relationship, often with children in the middle being hurt the most. Serial Polygamy - The practice of Divorce and remarriage to other people than the original spouse. I think (yeah you guys are gonna have fun with this :^) that God has absolutely no tolerance for kiddery, Adultery, or Divorce. All the above injure innocent children who have no say in the matter, however, Marriage is recommended of God, if a man can handle more than one wife (emotionally and financially my hat's off to him) God would let him marry a second wife. If a man is so estranged from his wife that he wants a divorce, God would prefer that he stay married, continue to support and be involved in the Children's lives and work toward a second wife for his emotional and physical needs. God would rather have the family stay intact for the children, God would protect the innocent.

Today we have divorce as a first and only remedy for a couple who have separated themselves from each other, the children become pawns in the battle for superiority over the other spouse, and after it's over, the children often become bastards after the fact being disowned by their fathers or mothers, with limited, strained and sometimes even dangerous arrangements over visitation. Can anyone actually believe that this is how God intended for marriage to be?

I can't.

The males (they are not men) who treated their wives and children in this manner (Physical, mental and sexual abuse) are animals, and deserve to be treated to the harshest penalties the law allows, Males who treat their one wife the same way should be treated the same way by the law. Males who treat children in this way should be treated harsher than allowed by law. Their mistreatment of their fellow beings will not be ignored by God, but it has nothing to do with polygamy, they just happened to take advantage of the secretive nature of the polygamous group to cover their sins, there are people equally deserving of our scorn and wrath who are not polygamists, let's not blame this on polygamy, it's the males who make me ashamed to call them men who are to blame, let us all stand up and be men let us live in truth, honesty and righteousness with each other, let us keep the laws of the land and of God and be his servants. The servants of God should never be found accepting the wages of sin. Be men.

Polygamy - The legal and lawful (both by God's law and Secular Law) union of one man and multiple women

Then why do the LDS leaders and LDS Scripture that Elsie posted say differently?

Polygamy - The legal and lawful (both by God's law and Secular Law) union of one man and multiple women

Secular law says polygamy is lawful? Where?

See post #1613 and get a clue.

The males (they are not men) who treated their wives and children in this manner (Physical, mental and sexual abuse) are animals, and deserve to be treated to the harshest penalties the law allows,

Why???

Maybe they heard from GOD.

Maybe GOD told Gordon B. Hinckley the same stuff, but HE was too afraid of what the Gov't would do.

so Abraham was polygamous, God specifically approved of him and blessed him for his righteousness while he was polygamous, thus polygamy is not a sin or God could not have done that.

That is a complete distortion of the episode. Clearly God did not approve of the relationship between Abram and Hagar. While Abram did not necessarily sin by simply entering into a polygamous relationship with another woman, he did sin by failing to believe God. God had promised that Abram would be the father of a nation through Sarai, and neither Sarai nor Abram had faith in God at that point. Instead of believing God that Abram would father a nation through her, she took it upon herself to give Hagar to Abram. It was an act of FAITHLESSNESS and hence it was a SIN!

The act of faith for which Abraham was counted righteous was in believing that God would raise a great nation through Issac, even if Issac were sacrificed to God. It was at that point that Abram believed God and it was counted unto him as righteousness.

If you think that God approved of the incident with Hagar, then you don't understand the passage.

The Bible NEVER condones polygamy. The Bible simply reports that it was a practice. Jesus actually made it a sin, wherein he proclaimed that if any man were to look upon a woman (other than his wife) with lust, that he would be committing adultery in his heart. Now explain to me how a married man could find himself getting married to another woman (other than his first wife) and not "lust in his heart"? It is that lust which triggers a man wanting to be with another woman which is the foundation of polygamy.

The New Testament makes it clear that polygamy is not to be tolerated in the Church and no man who was married to more than one woman was allowed to hold any official office in the church. In Utah, every one of the leaders of the LDS Church in the 1800's was, by virtue of their status as polygamists, scripturally prohibited from holding the offices that they claimed.

Delphi it is good to see you defending polygamy on these threads. It exposes Mormonism for the fraud and the evil that underpins the whole theology of the LDS Church. You believe in Polygamy. You;re heart's desire is to have 78 or more virgins to be given to you to service you forever in eternity. You desire to be God.

That is the ultimate goal of every LDS man. It is why you pay tithes. It is why you go on your Mission. It is why you do your "Duty" to the church. It is so that you can someday be a polygamist God (Like YOUR Heavenly Father) over a world where people will refer to YOU as THEIR HEAVENLY FATHER.

It is, in a word........ SICK!