8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.After David has fallen and slept with Bathsheba, and killed Uriah, Samuel comes to him to tell him of the lord's punishment for his murder of Uriah, as part of that Samuel tells David how much he had and what he as lost. God Gave David his wives, that means God approved of them, God does not change therefore he still approves of Polygamy. This is a simple point to understand which does not excuse the horrific things that apparently were going on in this "community" I use the word loosely. In a day when Marriages were Common at 15 and 16, because of the projected lifespan, fine. That day has passed. There is IMHO no reason for any woman to marry either before she is ready or a man she does not want to. I believe in the laws which protect those too immature to make such decisions. I believe in the laws which protect minors from advances by dirty old or young men. Those have nothing to do with polygamy, and I wish someone would explain to me why otherwise logical Christians would rather see a couple of Guys "get hitched" (I refuse to call it a Marriage) than allow two women who want to to marry the same man who wants to marry them.
POLYGAMY IS OF THE DEVIL.
Jesus so clearly taught against it.
Why are you using bible passages for defending forced Polygamy in this day and age? I’m sorry but this was practiced ALONG TIME AGO in a different time. Do you still travel via donkey or camel too?
After David has fallen and slept with Bathsheba, and killed Uriah, Samuel comes to him to tell him of the lord’s punishment for his murder of Uriah,
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No, Samuel never did that at all
It was Nathan that came to David...
And God did not condone adultery or bigamy...
I believe in the laws which protect minors from advances by dirty old or young men.
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It’s good that you agree that the false prophet Joseph smith, Brigham Young and other mormon pedophiles were criminals and should have gone to jail for their sex crimes...
“God Gave David his wives, that means God approved of them, God does not change therefore he still approves of Polygamy. This is a simple point to understand ...” You’ve defended this evil long enough, now. It is time you stopped to look at what the obligation of David was when Saul was slain. God did not give David an obligation to ‘raise up children unto Saul’ thus there was no admonition to have sexual congress with Saul’s wives and concubines. Refer to Hebrew Torah/Tenach. David WAS given an obligation to bring these under a household protection rather than turning them out into poverty. David’s sexual congress with them was his sin, not something God ordained. You mormonism apologists disgust me sometimes, DU. How can you continue to defend polygamy even in your perverted way with this story glaring at people?
I already answered this--at least in part--in post #1245. It doesn't fully address the "God gave" part (see #1245 for how I partially addressed that)...but as for whether these women were "wives" or concubines, here's what I said in post #1245:
(a) you don't know Hebrew; and (b) you've isolated 2 Sam 12 from 2 Sam 16 (& possibly 2 Sam 6). But certainly even if we agree on what to call these women, 2 Sam 12:8 is still troublesome.
Allow me to explain: First of all the Hebrew word used of these women in 2 Sam 12 is "issah"--which can mean either woman or wife and is even used in one verse in Judges for "concubine." Secondly, Nathan prophesies, among other things, that the Lord is going to take these women and give them to one who is close to you--lying with them in broad daylight. (2 Sam. 12:11)
Now when did this prophesy come to fruition? 2 Sam. 16:21-22 says that Ahithophel tells David's son, Absalom, to "Lie with your father's concubines...So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he lay with his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel."
The word here for "concubines" is the Hebrew word pileges.
So, my main point? Simply put, in context, these women are "concubines." [modern-day of equivalent of sexual cohabitors or mistresses] (These women were perhaps even the "slave girls" referenced in 2 Sam. 6:22.)
Biblical support:
(1) 2 Sam. 16:21-22 identifies these women as "concubines."
(2) The Hebrew word used in 2 Sam. 12 to describe these same women is Issah--which can mean "woman" & is used in Judges 19:26 to mean "concubine." In fact, Issah is even used in Gen 7:2 to describe the female mate of animals. [So while it is at times used in an endearing way (like "bride" in Gen 29:21 and Deut. 20:7), it isn't consisently the case.]
(3) When David's wife, Michal was upset with David for disrobing in the sight of slave girls (2 Sam. 6:20), the implication in 2 Sam. 6:23 is that they may not have slept together from that point onward...And David says then, "I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor." (2 Sam. 6:22) It's possible here that David is projecting that he will choose to sleep with slave girls rather than his wife...these slave girls will "honor" him--something his wife isn't doing (she accused him of public vulgarity)--but in doing so, he is "humiliating himself in his own eyes" in engaging in an "undignified" manner.
Unheard of? (No) "Common"...not necessarily--at least in most parts of the country. See F. Cott, "Young Women in the Second Great Awakening in New England," Feminist Studies 3 (1975): 16. Larkin writes, "American women began to marry in their late teens; around different parts of the United States the average age of marriage varied from nineteen to twenty."
See my post #1579, which shows that the "problem" of polygamy--including mainstream 19th century polygamy-- does and did have much to do with both dirty old LDS men and dirty young LDS men (men in their late 30s or into their 40s marrying girls 14, 15, 16). Either way, the age spans were lopsided with men from one generation marrying underaged girls from the next generation. (And please don't try the lame excuse that there weren't enough men to go around; the problem was the opposite).