Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
who was talking to you?
Indeed. Thank you.
They're done...WELL done...
Hmmm. Interesting. I’ve always known the Pentecostals were opposed to the LDS Church but never realized just how shallow their understanding of true LDS beliefs really are.
Let’s see.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints fully agrees with ALL the Catholic, Eastern Christian, and 98% of Protestants that:
• Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God and Savior of Mankind
• The Holy Bible is the Word of God and is authoritative over us
• The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are “One God”
• God became man in the person of Jesus Christ
• Christ’s followers are saved by his Grace
• Christ was sinless throughout his life and substituted himself for us
• Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant between God and man
• Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, died on the cross, and rose from the dead
• Jesus Christ is the Redeemer, Messiah, Intercessor, Lamb of God, Creator, Son of Man, First and the Last, Rock, Foundation, the I AM, and our Judge
• Christ experienced a single mortality and has an immortal body
• Jesus Christ is the only source of Salvation and the greatest name possible
• We take upon ourselves the name of Christ, obey and worship him, and pray to the Father in his name
These statements are taken at face value with no elaborations.
Sure, Mormonism has unique differentials which sets it apart from the other three branches of Christianity. These differences are unique and have no counterpart in any other Christian faith. However, NONE of these unique characteristics negate the core belief of all Christians, which Mormonism wholeheartedly affirms:
Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross to save us from sin and death. All who accept him as their Savior and strive to follow him shall receive salvation.
Catholicism has unique beliefs that are not shared by Protestants (Bishop of Rome has Monarchical Supremacy over all by Apostolic Succession, Papal Infallibility, Purgatory, Sinlessness of Mary, and Canonization of the Saints). Protestants have Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, and Priesthood of all believers). Eastern Christians have the Equality of Patriachates. Mormonism has a corporeal God, functionally omnipresent God, threeness of the Godhead, beginningless reality, resolution of the problem of evil, heavenly family, eternal marriage/family, temple ordinances, the Latter-day Scriptures, continuous revelation, modern prophets and apostles, baptism for the dead, Paradise/Hell (Spirit World), three tiered heavens + Outer Darkness.
The question is, does a faith’s unique differentials INVALIDATE its core beliefs if they are not diametric to each other? IOW, does the Mormon belief in a Corporeal deity invalidate its central belief that Christ is the Son of God and our Savior? If the Catholic belief in Papal Infallibility doesn’t invalidate it being a Christian religion because it teaches Christ is the Savior of the World; neither will Mormonism’s unique differentials.
All we ask is for others to treat us honestly, instead of the constant lying and misrepresentation of our faith.
Is that too much to ask?
What it is about is not wanting to see guilty people go free, because someone used poor judgement.
Hope the perps do not walk. If the defense uses that as defense, and they walk... you will have NO room to complain about their going free.
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Enough said. If after all that I have said, you still do not get it, then you are apparently incapable of it.
But it is about the busses, the baptists, the busses, the jury, baptists, busses, jury, acquittal, busses, baptists,jury........
LOL!
Darned Baptist buses rescuing FLDS underage girls!
Is that a promise?
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....BREAKING NEWS....
Latest Development 12:15 p.m. CDT, Sunday, April 6, 2008 Buses carrying YFZ women and children departed Eldorado headed north toward San Angelo.
Latest Development 11:30 a.m. CDT, Sunday, April 6, 2008 CPS officials start loading buses with women and children at Civic Center and First Baptist Church. Latest Development 9:30 a.m. CDT, Sunday, April 6, 2008 Temple search said to be productive and worth the effort. Law enforcement officer told patrons at Eldorado coffee shop this morning that authorities found everything they wanted and more.
Several school buses from San Angelo ISD and Schleicher County ISD are lined up at Schleicher County Courthouse in Eldorado. It appears they are preparing to relocate women and children removed from YFZ Ranch. As yet no comment on where the buses are headed.
Latest Development 12:30 a.m. CDT, Sunday, April 6, 2008 SWAT team, surveilance aircraft assists as building by building search continues at YFZ Ranch. No report of violence. Latest Development 11:24 p.m. CDT, Saturday, April 5, 2008 Midland S.O. SWAT team makes entry on north side of YFZ Temple annex. Still no report of violence. Latest Development 10:50 p.m. CDT, Saturday, April 5, 2008 SWAT team clears YFZ Temple, moving to annex No report of violence. Latest Development 10:45 p.m. CDT, Saturday, April 5, 2008 Law enforcement officers entering temple as raid at YFZ continues. No report of violence. \Latest Development 8:30 p.m. CDT, Saturday, April 5, 2008 AP reports authorties preparing to enter the temple at the YFZ Ranch and FLDS faithful are refusing to cooperate. Ambulances and medical personnel have been called to the compound just in case. Latest Development 6:00 p.m. CDT, Saturday, April 5, 2008 Three ambulances seen heading past police check point toward YFZ Ranch |
We were able to weight quite a bit of evidence to come to the conclusion we did on O.J. Are you under the impression you have seen as much evidence in this case? It’s barely hit the news and you’ve got this one locked up.
Okay, please name the people you think should be locked up and what infractions each specifically commited to warrant the verdict.
I know, it is interesting, here is a catholic link that you can look at on the same subject of non-Christians.
http://www.catholic.com/library/noncatholic_groups.asp
“Enough said. If after all that I have said, you still do not get it, then you are apparently incapable of it.”
The people ten threads over get it by now, we are saying that we really, really, really get your point.
“this FLDS, is a rogue organization, is a Fake LDS!”
To clarify, this group is not the same LDS as the Salt Lake City LDS.
It is, however, LDS. Same scriptures. Same belief in a prophet.
They are practicing mormonism the way it was practiced under
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young... marrying the girls young
and often.
That, Resty, is not rogue. It is what they say they are, “Fundamental” LDS.
best,
ampu
You give a pretty good description, overall. Except you leave out a few things, such as the belief of Mormons that Christ then, after resurrection, did not ascend to Heaven, but rather that he sailed across the seas and became a messiah to the Aztec peoples. Or the belief that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were Prophets of God. Beliefs that are viewed as heretical (and thus damned) by all the other denominations.
Pretty big differences considering all the religious wars, even here in America, over those “minor” differences or even lesser ones.Mormons WERE persecuted in America in the 1800’s and many died on both sides as a result.
Now the buses have violated "Separation of church and state thing" - which isn't in the Constitution anyway but are words written U.S. President Thomas Jefferson in a January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association - but that is for another conversation.
Gosh, these buses have really gotten you?
They are buses, for crying out loud.
"Ahh, but the buses that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic...
“The people ten threads over get it by now, we are saying that we really, really, really get your point.”
When I see people making comments like “Whats with all the baptist bashing?” (which I never did), it is reasonable to doubt that.
Why dontcha hold your breath till ya find out?
Here's the beginning...
Living the Principle: Short Creek 1953
Just before dawn on July 26, 1953, more than 120 Arizona police officers descended on Short Creek in what then Gov. Howard Pyle called "a momentous police action against insurrection." They found residents of the polygamist community, who had been tipped off about the raid, gathered at the schoolhouse, singing. In days that followed, families were lined up outside their homes and photographed.
“Jesus is a descendant of plural marriage as most here on FR in the ancient of day!”
Absolute false, blatant heresy!
She specializes in that.
What is tragic is that she truly BELIEVES in that.
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