Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
That is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever said.
Resty - if you do nothing else this year, I beg you to watch this video. It is six minutes and fifty three seconds long. 6:53. You can spare seven minutes, can you?
Why the Bible? Ravi Zacharias at the University of Illinois
Listen to what he says about the Greatest Book Ever - the Bible.
How can you ask such a question when it is your Trinity that clearly states that the Father and Son are the same spirit?
How many times have you told the LDS they are 3 in 1, they are ONE!
Your Trinity says
1- Father spirit
2- Son Spirit
3- Holy Spirit Spirit
That they are all the same spirit in the Trinity!
Now the Son the has received the Glory of a resurrected Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone.
You are saying the Father does not have this Glory of of a resurrected Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone.
Yet it is something the Son was given when he too receive the Glroy of the Father.
The Holy Spirit was always a Spirit that is why the scriptures tell us the Holy Spirit is spirit.
There is no way you can deny this if you are honest!
Man is also spirit with a temporal body of flesh and blood!
Your Trinity now is composed
1- Eternal Father Spirit has no Glory of a Resurrected Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone
2- Eternal Son has received Glory of a Resurrected Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone
2- The Holy Spirit is still a Spirit
Rom. 15: 7
7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
1 Tim. 3: 16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
2 Pet. 1: 17
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Bible is like training wheels.....
That is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever said.
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Many who had training wheels on their bike until they could balance or be in sync.
It is the same with the Scripures as one reads and ponders the words of the Lord they become more familar with the Lord until they know him with every core of their being.
Than one is in tune with the Spirit of the Lord.
You know your Master voice!
Did you watch the video? It is only six minutes and fifty three seconds. Surely you can spare that.
What is your retort to what Dr. Ravi Zacharias had to say about the Bible?
I want to hear this.
THAT is YOUR Doctrine which I have asked you to prove from the BIBLE. You still have not done so. Why? You CAN'T. Its a Doctrine of Demons.
That makes too much sense for Mormons to accept it. I’ve used the water vapor, liquid water, and ice analogy, too. And it was too much for them.
‘Very compelling evidence’ ... but will she awaken to look?
Actually, CG, Resty can't even provide any Mormon alleged "Scripture" specifically stating that the FATHER was once an exalted man...so she can't do it...despite the fact that Smith claimed: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God...." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345; Journal of Discourses, 6:3).
(I guess Smith just didn't know "first principles." Also note that the LDS "Scripture"--Doctrines & Covenants--several times references the Book of Mormon as the "fullness of the everlasting gospel." The problem is that the Book of Mormon says zip about God the Father being an exalted man; or that he has a flesh & bones body; or that men can become gods...etc. etc. etc. so much the empty allegation of "fullness")
You do a great service here. I don't even think you realize how valuable someone of your experience is regarding this subject.
But you forgot, there can be a new "revelation" from the prophet or any of the apostles, (they all speak for God) at any time expanding the "gospel". It only takes a yes vote from the 12 Apostles to make it "scripture"......maybe.
the Father does not have this Glory of of a resurrected Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone.
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How could God the Father have a resurrected Body when it was God the Son that was resurrected ????
I would like your comment to this video by Dr. Ravi Zacharias.
I did not miss any point Heavenly Father always was exalted no one ever said he wasn't and Jesus was always perfect it is us who needs exaltation not the Godhead!
Some how many feel they know everything about the Godhead through thoughs 66 Books yet in the Scripture they tell us that there is more.
John 20:
30 ¶ And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
John 21:
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Many will always be limited it is the Holy Ghost that teaches all things and those who are not readly or refuse to hear will not be able to receive more.
You can only speak for your self Colofornian every thing else you say is here say!
Good. I will. Then you, too, can speak for yourself on this question...(so that you'll just parrot what I said once you establish its veracity.)
God set angels called Watchers over Adam. Angels are sons of God, as Adam was, before the fall, of different orders. Adam was the only “human being son of God kind” until the son of Man [who was in heaven who was with God and who was God, hidden, from the beginning], came incanate, in a body prepared for Him in the womb of a virgin. Now, since His coming in flesh, the “Son of God human kind” is the New Man, who is not Adam, but Israel, as to the name the Father calls Him, as Isaiah 49 tells us. He gave His New Man name to Jacob, as a sign of the adoption to come, in His New Name; Hosea 12:3-5; Genesis 32.
Watchers are called ben Elohym, and some lusted after daughters of Adam and took wives of them, who bore them nephillim: so nephillim, mighty men, were on the earth after that, because the sons of God took daughters of Adam as wives, and impregnanted them, who then bore nephillim to those sons of God. -Genesis 6; Book of Enoch; Book of Jasher; Book of Jubilees, Book of the Giants [dead sea scrolls,]and so on.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when ben ‘elohiym came (8799) to present (8692) themselves before YHWH, and Satan came (8799) also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the ben ‘elohiym came (8799) to present (8692) themselves before YHWH, and Satan came (8799) also among them to present (8692) himself before YHWH.
Dan 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones:
Enoch, chapter 6:
[Chapter 6]
“1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters.
And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.’
And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.”
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[Chapter 15]
“1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: ‘Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: “You should intercede” for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.”
Is there a broken record here? Enoch. Horny angels. Got it.
Restornu,
YHWH is the One Everlasting, self existing Uncreated LIFE/Breath/Spirit, who exists eternally in three Persons. The Father is not seen by any creature, cannot be seen by any creature, and will never be seen by any creature. He is the UNSEEN YHWH Person.
The Word who is come in flesh as the Son of Man who was with God and who was God, is the One and Only One “image” [Hebrew ‘Tselem/similitude] of YHWH ever seen by man any created being or who will ever be seen by any created being.He is YHWH SEEN.
The Holy Spirit has no form, but is referred to as “Wind” and was seen in the form of a smoking furnace, when He and the Word ratified the land covenant YHWH gave to Abraham. He is YHWH Present.
In Him we live and move and have our being. But only until those of us who will not seek the Light that lights every Adam person who comes into the world stands before Jesus Christ in Judgement and gets cast into the blackness of darkness forever, where the Light never shines and one will be forever a worm, never able to come to Christ and be become morphosed into the image of the Son of God.
Adam is one spirit, and in the beginning there were two persons in Adam, the male and the female, who were commanded to multiply the seed and fill the earth with the human being sons of God, their seed, by that multiplication.
Genesis 5:2; male and female made He them, and called their Adam, in the day they were created.
There are persons in Adam, there are persons in YHWH. But YHWH is eternally One YHWH, three Persons.
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