Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
Oh, no resty. Don’t stop posting. Usually your posts are not that long, and they are very informative.
You tell false hoods and the Lord knows it !
FWIW, I don't think any self respecting woman would ever really want to go to the Mormon idea of heaven anyway. All they are useful for is to be a part of some eternal harem and bear spiritual children for their polygamous husband/god.
Of course they try to paint this in the best light possible. "We're all about Families", and nonsense like that. The Muslims with their idea of a heaven with 72 virgins has nothing on the Mormon idea of heaven, where a good Temple Worthy male could conceivably be serviced for eternity by 10,000 virgins if he calls them all through the veil.
Let's see them try to put lipstick on that pig.
IMO this is the most repugnant doctrine mormons have come up with. This is classic psychological spousal abuse! "Honey, you have to do what I tell you and you have to make me happy or I won't let you into the Celestial Kingdom......."
GAG.
When they get their name, everyone who’s at the temple on the same day, get the same name!
That later story claims that in 1820 Joseph Smith had seen two glorious personages, identified as the Father and the Son, and was informed that the creeds of all the "sects," or various denominations, "were an abomination" and he was twice forbidden to join any of them.
In retelling this same tale to Alexander Neibaur on May 24, 1844, Joseph specifically singled out the Methodist Church as being unworthy of his membership. Mr. Neibaur's diary recorded the divine warning as related by Joseph: "Mr. Smith then asked must I join the Methodist Church - No - they are not my People. They have gone astray there is none that doeth good no not one." (quoted in The Improvement Era, April 1970, p.12).
Perhaps the death of his first-born son on June 15, 1828 induced him to seek membership in the church his wife had belonged to since she was seven years old. Joseph had told his neighbor, Joshua McKune, that "his (Smith's) first born child was to translate the characters and hieroglyphics upon the plates, into our language, at the age of three years." (The Susquehanna Register, May 1, 1834, p.1). When this child died at birth instead, and his wife's life also hung in danger, Smith may have considered entirely abandoning his project of writing a book and decided to join the Methodist Church. At least Martin Harris later told Rev. Ezra Booth that when he went to Pennsylvania to see Joseph about the translation that "Joseph had given it up on account of the opposition of his wife and others," and Martin "told Joseph, 'I have not come down here for nothing, we will go on with it.' " (The Story of the Mormons, by William Alexander Linn, New York: Macmillan Co. 1902, p.36).
The young prophet's roll as a Methodist member did not last very long, however - only three days according to statements made by his wife's cousins, Joseph and Hiel Lewis. In their local newspaper at Amboy, Illinois they told of their earlier years with Joseph Smith in Pennsylvania and of his uniting with their Methodist class:
He presented himself in a very serious and humble manner, and the minister, not suspecting evil, put his name on the class book, in the absence of some of the official members. (The Amboy Journal, Amboy, Illinois, April 30, 1879, p.1).
When Joseph Lewis, who was twenty-one at the time (about a year and a half younger than Smith), learned of this act, he felt that Joseph's manner of life rendered him unfit to be a member and told him either to "publicly ask to have his name stricken from the class book, or stand a disciplinary investigation." Mr. Lewis gave further details about the incident a month after the first article appeared in the Amboy paper, and he wrote:
I, with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at that time, I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday, that Joe Smith had joined the church on Wednesday afternoon, (as it was customary in those days to have circuit preaching at my father's house on week-day). We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts, in it. So on Sunday we went to father's, the place of meeting that day, and got there in season to see Smith and talked with him some time in father's shop before the meeting. Told him that his occupation, habits, and moral character were at variance with the discipline, that his name would be a disgrace to the church, that there should have been recantation, confession and at least promised reformation-. That he could that day publicly ask that his name be stricken from the class book, or stand an investigation. He chose the former, and did that very day make the request that his name be taken off the class book. (The Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879, p.1).
Like so many of the early Methodist records, the early class books of the Harmony (now Lanesboro) Church are lost, so we will never know for certain whether Joseph Smith remained a member for only three days or six months. However, there was never any dispute that he had become a member, and by this one act he undercut the story he later put forth that God in a special vision had instructed him specifically not to join the Methodist Church.
- Wesley P. Walters
Well said. This is precisely why they've practiced deception for 100+ years now. And if you have to deceive people regarding your religion to gain converts its not from God as God doesn't lie and God isn't into deception in any form. The Lying for the Lord doctrine they have is proof positive Mormonism is not from God.
I'm telling the truth about a false religion as the Lord COMMANDS me to, and not only does HE know it, I believe YOU DO AS WELL.
Perhaps not 'condemned' but scripture certainly frowns upon it.
When God created Adam, He then made Eve to be Adam's wife. He didn't create Eve, Mary, Josephine and Telulah.
After God made Eve, He said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE (not wives) and the TWO (not three or four) shall become one."
Note that Jesus repeats this in the New Testament.
Also please note that there is no record of any of the disciples, nor in fact, any of the leaders of the New Testament church, having more than one wife. (Some of them didn't even have one.) In fact, the New Testament clearly teaches monogamy is at the very least highly preferred over polygamy, since leaders in the church were to be monogamous.
1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach"
1 Timothy 3:12 "Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."
Titus 1:5-6 "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you — if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination."
Restornu says: So that is your around this you think the sister have to take a back seat because her husband is not interested in doing the right thing!
How selfish!
So, mormons believe that the woman cannot enter the celestial kingdom unless a man "calls her through the veil"...and resty says the woman has to take a back seat because of an unworthy husband. The remedy is for her to be "sealed" to a "worthy" man.
How FOOLISH!
Doesn't matter :) Paul cited greek philosophers - citation does not make a referece scriptural, especially when used to only make a point and not doctrine.
Enoch is not a “Jewish” book, but a book which the Egyptians had, also, as other tribes of the world did, as sons of Enoch through Noah, also -so why should it be specifically part of the LXX anyway?
Sorry, provide back up for that statement. Egyptians would not have any use for this document outside of Judaism or Christianity. The LXX echos the OT canon, while including the subscriptural apocrypha materials - yet excluding Enoch. This is early testamony that indicates that Enoch is not of sufficient status to serve as scripture.
The Book of Jasher
Reference is made to Jasher - but this is not the Jasher that is being promulgated under that name, it has been lost.
>>In the Genesis record, Moses states that the sons of God/ben elohim took wives of the daughters of Adam/bath Adam, before and also after the flood, and nephillim =titans/giants, were born to them.<
>>Neither of those 2 references showed this.<<
The References most certainly do show this -and I would appreciate not having to post the thing because, you lied, as it is work. -Why did you lie?
This is Strong’s Concordance on Blue Letter Bible, using the Masoretic Text.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Gen&chapter=6&verse=1&version=KJV#1
Genesis 6:1’adam [0120] chalal [02490] rabab [07231] `al [05921] paniym [06440] ‘adamah [0127] bath [01323]
yalad [03205]
Genesis 6:2 ben [01121] ‘elohiym [0430] ra’ah [07200] bath [01323] ‘adam [0120] hennah [02007]towb [02896] laqach [03947] ‘ishshah [0802] bachar [0977]
6:2 ben =sons [01121] ‘elohiym =God [0430] ra’ah =to see[07200] bath =daughters [01323] ‘adam =Adam [0120] laqach =took ‘ishshah =wives/women/females bachar =to choose
How FOOLISH!
What you said don't even hold water.
If the two were more than married for time meaning they were sealed in the temple she still would not need her husband to call her if he was not worthy for not keeping his commandments. That is a myth started by most likely an antagonist spin.
When one enters into a Celestial marriage it is a covenant between God and women and between God and man. So if each are honorable at that stage they are allowed into Heaven inspitie of what their partner did, the convenant is between God and the individual.
The Lord is not going to hold back someone because the partner was not righteous.
The LDS understands that in the restoration of the Church the Lord teaches line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and their a little not every thing at once.
You are welcome to your opinion to be stuborn!
YOU can't tell us what is wrong with PRESBYTERIANISM and we ALL know it!
HAHAHA!
When that 'name' gets called; it'll look like the Oklahoma land rush all over again!
;^)
You've been pretty short on backing up your statements. The components that now make up 1 Enoch now (minus Similtudes) were found with the DSS in cave 4. Approximately 49 Ethiopic manuscripts of 1 Enoch survive, dated to the 14th-19th centuries C.E., and most of these contain the Similitudes. Notably, unlike the rest of the books preserved in the Ethiopic text of 1 Enoch, no fragments of the Similitudes survive among the Qumran manuscripts.
On the name of of the Son of Man, Israel,.....
you are babbling here. cite the chapt and verse from 1Enoch you are trying to reference.
When He appeared to Samson’s parents, pre-incarnate, and they asked His name, It was still secret
The bible says that it was beyond their understand or wonderful - neither of which infers that it was secret.
When He appeared to Jacob, in Genesis 32, He at that moment revealed it to Jacob, and Jacob got the name of the New Man who was to come, from the beginning, as a sign of the adoption to come.
Jacob was given the name Israel which means 'Struggles with God' not New Man....blabla.
Genesis 33; El-ElOHE-ISRAEL =God Mighty God, Israel.
Ok, so he builds an altar to recognize God, whom he personalizes as his God. However, the Father has never given the name Israel to Jesus as you are implying, read above on the interpretation of the name. You are quickly reaching the twilight zone of Christian thought with this diatribe.
You've been pretty short on backing up your statements. The components that now make up 1 Enoch now (minus Similtudes) were found with the DSS in cave 4. Approximately 49 Ethiopic manuscripts of 1 Enoch survive, dated to the 14th-19th centuries C.E., and most of these contain the Similitudes. Notably, unlike the rest of the books preserved in the Ethiopic text of 1 Enoch, no fragments of the Similitudes survive among the Qumran manuscripts.
On the name of of the Son of Man, Israel,.....
you are babbling here. cite the chapt and verse from 1Enoch you are trying to reference.
When He appeared to Samson’s parents, pre-incarnate, and they asked His name, It was still secret
The bible says that it was beyond their understand or wonderful - neither of which infers that it was secret.
When He appeared to Jacob, in Genesis 32, He at that moment revealed it to Jacob, and Jacob got the name of the New Man who was to come, from the beginning, as a sign of the adoption to come.
Jacob was given the name Israel which means 'Struggles with God' not New Man....blabla.
Genesis 33; El-ElOHE-ISRAEL =God Mighty God, Israel.
Ok, so he builds an altar to recognize God, whom he personalizes as his God. However, the Father has never given the name Israel to Jesus as you are implying, read above on the interpretation of the name. You are quickly reaching the twilight zone of Christian thought with this diatribe.
Not at my present finger tips, by you are google friendly.
LOL!! (picturing it!)
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