Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
I think the analogy fits, after all we are God’s children, are we not? And even as we love our own children, He loves us and wants what is best for us, even when we ourselves do not always know what is best for us. Realizing the full scope of what that means has not only given me what I believe to be a clearer understanding of where God is coming from, with regards to us, but it has deepened my own appreciation and love for God as well.
I am happy if you found it useful, and feel free to use it anytime.
My point that polygamy is not necessary in order to become joint heirs.
Defending is NOT practicing and my point was one did not have to practiced polygamy to have joint heirs.
It is valid to point out his lusts, "marriage" to dozens of girls and women, the absolute fallacies and ridiculous claims he made, and the inconsistencies with Mormonism.
Moreover, God's word commands us to do just this.
The problem you have DU is that if you accept those facts and truths, the whole shebang you have based your faith on comes crashing down.
You are living in a house built on a sandbar in the middle of a river and it is raining quite heavily.
If the Texas authorities had an informant inside the FLDS cult for four years, they should have acted more quickly. Civil rights? What about the civil rights of the 416 children? (most of them girls because they threw the boys out - gotta eliminate the competition you know).
What does "joint heirs" mean to a Mormon? Do you believe Mormons can literally become as gods, themselves, reining over their own world, peopled with your personal offspring?
Where could you find a place for Jesus death, in your scenario? How could His death have any impact in other worlds?
I was raised as a whiskeypalian. I have been elected Deacon in a Southern Baptist Church, and led the music and worship in an Assembly of God. I have witnessed to thousands about the mercy we receive from Jesus. I am glad to call Him my Saviour, and Lord. I am not worthy of His death, but I have faith in His promises.
I think of it as blasphemy, when you desire to become as God... and Blasphemy seems to be the only unforgivable arrow shot! (sin = missing the center of the target! Anything, no matter how close, or far away, that isn't in the "perfect will of God!", that tiny middle point of the target!)
It seems your support of pedophiles and plural marriage, belies your lusty, pernicious "religion"!
Luke 12: NIV
1Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.*
4"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies[a]? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
8"I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. 9But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
*Sounds like Mormon temple stuff here!
John 3:
1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]”
4”How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9”How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10”You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[d] 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.[e]
16”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.[g] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”[h]
John 8
1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11”No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
13The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”
14Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
19Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”
“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” 20He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.
21Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”
22This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”
23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,[a] you will indeed die in your sins.”
25”Who are you?” they asked.
“Just what I have been claiming all along,” Jesus replied. 26”I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”
27They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants[b] and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.[c]”
39”Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[d] do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
48The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
49”I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
52At this the Jews exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”
54Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57”You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
58”I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Joey saw all those women for the taking and something BURNED in him......don’t think it was his breast either.
Apparently if your body LUSTS for multiple partners in the Mormon faith, it’s a sign from GOD and VOILA!: I had me a revelation!
In the end, Mr.Smith was simply a perv and now the world is FINALLY getting a peek at the FRUITS of that perversion.
Fabulous picture!
I read somewhere that all the Commandments come down to one: thou shalt not steal. If you think about it, makes sense!
“I think of it as blasphemy, when you desire to become as God...”
Yet they so desire to be considered “Christians”. Just another deceitful lie to lure new customers.
I read that in the book “Kite Runner.”
But we all steal. We steal someone’s reputation, we steal thier property, we steal their access to truth....
That my FR is why we need Christ, and why I am so very thankful to Him.
I read the Kite Runner too so that must be where I heard the “thou shall not steal” remark.
Any sin is stealing from GOD.
Good morning, btw! Thought I was the only one up!
Good Mornin’
I get up rather early too, I’m in Mountain Time.
Gotta have my coffee and my FR to start the day out right!
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY VERSION 3.0 |
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| S h o r t h a n d |
R e f e r e n c e : |
| 1. We're Superior; We have a special gift of the holy Ghost - you don’t! | (cite needed) |
| 2. We're Superior; We have God’s true priesthood power - you don’t! | (cite needed) |
| 3. We're Superior; We can go in God’s secret Temple - you can’t! | (cite needed) |
| 4. We're Superior; We’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge - you’re just normal! | (cite needed) |
| 5. We're Superior; We’ll have Our families with Us in heaven - you’ll be with strangers! | (cite needed) |
| 6. We're Superior; We're becoming a God - you aren’t! | (cite needed) |
| 7. We're Superior; Our women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t. | (cite needed) |
| 8. We're Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - ours comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). | (cite needed) |
| 9. We're Superior; We don’t HAVE a creed - We’ve got 13 Articles of Faith! | (cite needed) |
| 10. We're Superior; We have four standard works and you only have one — in as far as it is translated correctly. | (cite needed) |
| 11. We're Superior; We can state with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — and you can’t. | (cite needed) |
| 12. We're Superior; We are right (everybody knows) when We say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- You’re hideous narrow-minded bigots, who are persecuting us by practicing discrimination by saying We're not a Christian. |
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| 13. We're Superior; We have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day — you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. | (cite needed) |
| 14. We're Superior; We have magic underwear to protect us from the bogey man and you don’t. | (cite needed) |
| 15. We're Superior; We have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so We get admitted to the celestial kingdom — you don’t - so you can’t. | (cite needed) |
| 16. We're Superior; We will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when We get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably — -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going! |
(cite needed) |
| 17. We're Superior; We're going to hie to Kolob while you’re going to who knows where. | (cite needed) |
| 18. We're Superior; We get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity and you don’t. | (cite needed) |
| 19. We're Superior; We have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding Our temple — all you have is a stupid cross. | (cite needed) |
| 20. We're Superior; Our church has billions in assets stashed away and yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. | (cite needed) |
I think this is OMM...
Me too. I have to texture walls in a bedroom today and can’t figure out a way to post and read at the same time!
Well.... you WILL have ETERNITY to take of 72 honeydew lists!
Good Morning!
Romans 16:17ff (NIV)
17I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. 19Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.
20The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
21Timothy, my fellow worker, sends his greetings to you, as do Lucius, Jason and Sosipater, my relatives.
22I, Tertius, who wrote down this letter, greet you in the Lord.
23Gaius, whose hospitality I and the whole church here enjoy, sends you his greetings.
Erastus, who is the city’s director of public works, and our brother Quartus send you their greetings.[c]
25Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, 26but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him— 27to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
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