Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
Eegads! Sounds like modern day nazis. These DNA eliminating furnaces sound eerily like the old gas chambers. If this isn’t evidence the LDS and the FLDS are cults I don’t know what is!!!!!!!
I think the 911 call is just the tip of the iceburg. This is not going to be pretty.
I see from that site that they are looking for Warren Jeffs brother, Seth to show up at the compound and now have two FBI agents onsite.
What really gets me is all the Cumbaya Crowd and they’re nonstop whining, “give peace a chance,” while women and children are treated as less than animals all around us, right under our noses.
It will take a lot of decent men before it stops. If ever.
I hear ya.
This has been a few years in the making at El Dorado. Many of us have followed the stories, the abuse, the perversion that Jeff’s and his bud’s have perpetrated.
The average joe (not smith!) has no clue and simply sees the big bad evil gov’t taking children away. They should read up, become informed and they would be APPALLED and as disgusted as we are. (well, not including Mormons)
We drive through Eldorado to visit our kids in Hurst. The devil walks among us, eh?
It’s been an unspeakable abomination to do this in the name of ANY so-called ‘religion.’ She has made it come to the light of day, Bless her heart.
Yes, I am new, and I came on -instead of lurking- to address who Jesus Christ is; “YHWH in the second Person”, who was to come and is come, in second creation human being flesh.
YHWH is Seen only in One Similitude by all creation, and that One is God the Word, who created all things and made Adam in His image. He alone is in the bosom of the Unapproachable Light, and declares Him to all who are born of His One Living Spirit.
Hit the abuse button and make your request there.
This is a true statement only if the Mormon church doesn't extend to its celestial kingdom, where Mormons conclude that LDS polygamists are alive & well & are still married in big happy families.
JRoche, I can understand you a non-Mormon making this conclusion. (But if a Mormon makes this same claim, he/she is speaking out of both sides of their mouth)
And anyone who does is kicked out.
For "time," yes. For "eternity," no. In fact, the LDS Church still encourages eternal polygamy. How? It still allows a husband to be sealed in its temple to multiple wives (but only one "on this earth" wife at a time).
If the Mormon church was serious about "eradicating" future polygamy, it would ban the temple ritual for eternal sealings for a second wife. It doesn't. Therefore, it's all part of a deceptive ruse that's been going on since 1890. Hundreds of plural marriages were conducted by folks like Ivins in Juarez, Mexico between 1890 and 1913. (And he wasn't the only officiator of such plural marriages). During that time, Ivins became a general authority of the Church.
The LDS Church was doing deceptive "end runs" for 23 years in sending "add-on" wives to be married in Mexico (and some in the states as well). And the LDS Church has never banned the practice of being eternally sealed to a second, third, fourth, etc. wife in the LDS temple--so long as a man does it serially & waits for his present wife to die before taking on another wife.
So why try to defend it [polygamy]?
Of course, sevenbak would need to answer for himself as to reasons why. But my experience with other Mormons lies in the post I gave in 1,101 of this thread. LDS have a "love-hate" relationship with polygamy. They can't excise D&C 132 from their "Scriptures," but in this PR era, the isolation which allowed polygamy to proliferate in the last part of the 19th century is no longer easily obtained.
Notice what 21st & 20th century fLDS polygamy has in common with 19th century LDS polygamy: Both are based upon following Joseph Smith & his D&C 132 con job that was written for the express purposes of convincing Emma Smith to allow her husband sanctioned philandering. Both the Utah community of the 19th century and Hildale & Colorado City in the 20th century were remote outposts, as is Bountiful, British Columbia just across the Canadian border north of Idaho. And now, Eldorado, Texas in the 21st century falls into that same pattern: remote, isolated.
When families engage in shameful, undignified, humiliating behavior, like when David said he would have slave girls "honor" him as his wife Michal was dishonoring him because of his public vulgarity (2 Sam. 6:20-22), activity with concubines (2 Sam. 16:21-22) then is conducted "in secret" (2 Sam. 12:12) until the physical or spiritual descendents of the concubiners/polygamists is brought out into the open (2 Sam. 16:21-22). David's son, Absalom exposed his father's concubines by sleeping with them on roofs in broad daylight.
Now, we have underaged girls calling from compounds exposing the behavior of these polygamists who received their theological "degrees" cut from the cloth of D&C 132--Joseph Smith's "handiwork."
The Father who is Heavenly Father the most highest who found favor with Mary, who is the mother of the Son of God.
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1. Jesus called God YOUR Heavenly Father when He was talking to the Jews durin g the Sermon on the Mount Matthew 6:14, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:32, Luke 11:13,
and Jesus referred to God as MY Heavenly Father Matthew 15:13, Matthew 18:35
But nowhere in the Bible is God called “Heavenly Father”
Although a cult would give such a title to a “deity”
2. God never found favor with Mary...It was Mary who found favor with God
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Luke 1:28
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luke 1:30
I am really confused about something here. I understand that polygamy is not the official position of the Mormon church any more and that it DOES NOT represent mainstream Mormonism, yet here we have people defending the practice and criticizing the government for *interfering* in a groups *religious* practices.
Now the government has been on to this group and watching them for YEARS. It’s widely known pretty much what goes on in there, although the bit about the incinerator and all is way beyond creepy. Everybody pretty much condemns this group and here a clear call for help is made, giving the authorities something concrete that they can finally act on and they’re being shredded for it.
What am I missing?
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:33
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And there’s never been any need for a “restoration” by a false prophet called Joseph Smith..
I know how you feel. I live very very close to Kirtland, Ohio. Bad joujou.
So the guy who has a few wives die on him on earth and is sealed to both of them is going to have polygamy in the afterlife? What about the guy who dies before his wife?
Does he lose out?
MORMON APOLOGISTS' NIGHTMARE
ROTFL! Love it...saux funny!
Even men here can be victims. If you were raised to believe whatever the leader says is Gospel and are at risk of getting kicked out if you questions.......
In order to have a Glorified eternal body of Flesh and Bone to resurrect in, you would have had to have a physical body of flesh and blood that had gone through the probationer period.
Why would the Son need to get one if His Heavenly Father did not also have one?
Jesus did so the things his Father showed him to do!
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DUH
WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT ?????
Jesus needed a “probationer period” ???
Jesus is God but He doesnt get it right the rirst time ???
I know. And have you seen the comparisons on FR of late to the Muslim faith? There is an unequivocal similarity with which the “mainstream” faith “denounces” what the “fundamentalist fringe” does — but it’s just lip service. Poof.
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