BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Authorities enter Eldorado-area temple (Fundamentalist LDS cult)

Go San Angelo ^ | 5 April 08 | Paul A. Anthony

[SkyPilot]

Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.

The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.

The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.

The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.

Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.

“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”

Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.

Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.

“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”

Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.

Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.

The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.

“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”

The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.

The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.

Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.

“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.

Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.

No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.

Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.

“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”

[Elsie]

Welcome to any FR thread that has any mention of Mormons. The birds circle awaiting any sign of fresh meat. Some of us don't take it lying down, and shoo the fowl away. It's why these thread usually surpass 1000 or more.

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Welcome to any FR thread that has any mention of Mormons. Many LDS Organization members circle awaiting any sign of fresh converts. Some of us Christians won't take it lying down any longer, and post the foul words of the Founders of the sect. It's why these thread usually surpass 1000 or more.

[P-Marlowe]

Look at my replies -I say no such thing.I didn't say YOU did.

You must be new here.

The post was directed to sevenbak and you were pinged to the post because I was responding to a post directed to you.

Welcome to Free Republic.

[Elsie]

13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Any fool can spout that: watch!!

The LDS Organization teach precepts of men.

There - it MUST be true, for I said it!!!

Clara wants to know...

Where's the BEEF?

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What is wrong with PRESBYTERIANISM?

[Elsie]

13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Joseph Smith had NO bible knowledge!

You can't use Isaiah!

[Elsie]

Nice verses, but no BRANCHES are shown.

All of israel was in bondage.

[Elsie]

TWO of which have PHYSICAL bodies!

Physical yes. Jesus was resurrected, and showed his flesh and bone body to his disciples. He ate fish and honeycomb. They felt His wounds. He lives!

You have ignored the main point, that you LDS Organization members claim the FATHER has a PHYSICAL body.

[Enosh]

"Melche was Shem..."

Interesting theory, I had to consult a timeline.

Shem lived 600 years, which makes it possible for him to have seen Abraham. Thanks!

Welcome to FR, BTW.

[Elsie]

We are talking about the Godhead, the oneness of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

Siamese twins?

[Elsie]

I try not to spam like you do.

Of couse!

MY stuff that I copy from LDS, Inc's website is cleaned up, so that the misspellings the little ^reference letters put in the text is removed.

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24 Behold, David and aSolomon truly had many bwives and concubines, which thing was cabominable before me, saith the Lord.

[conservativegramma]

My point is that in Biblical times, there were "degrees" of slavery, from temporary bond-servants to those treated like "plunder" captured after a victorious battle. From servants treated like family members to those abused. (Note, too that God didn't rush in to rescue the Israelites from bondage in Egypt...they were there over 400 years...how many generations is that? Did that mean God "condoned" it? No. But how would we know about spiritual debt & spiritual slavery unless He allowed real-life slavery. How would we know about spiritual warfare unless He allowed real warfare? "Allowance" and "condoning" are NOT the same attitudes.) Best explanation I've seen in a long time!!!!!

[Elsie]

Wow, that doesn't deserve a response. Just wow!

Chris?

Is that YOU?

[Elsie]

Their words are also divinely inspired and never contradict the Bible.

And we say this with a straight face!

--MormonDude(We got MORE scripture than YOU do!)

[Elsie]

Jesus is the Only begotten son of God. Period. His mother is Mary, period. She was overshadowed with the Holy Ghost, and conceived.

You have it right!

How is it that your past leaders seem to be so confused about it?

[P-Marlowe]

John the baptist held the keys to the priesthood of Aaron, not John the beloved.

That would mean that John NEVER had the "Fullness of the Gospel" did he? That would mean that it was never "RESTORED", but it was never given to the apostles in the first place.

Peter, James and John, held the keys of the Kingdom, and it was these three that laid hands on Oliver and Joseph and restored the Melchesidek priesthood.

Oh then John DID come out of retirement and visited Joseph Smith in New York, didn't he?

How did he get there?

Did he come over on the Mayflower?

Is John the Apostle currently attending a Mormon Church?

Is John the Apostle currently listed as a member in good standing on the LDS Church rolls?

Was he married in the Temple?

Which Temple?

Has he gone through the temple ceremony?

Is he still producing children from his many marriages?

Does he look 2000 years old?

How about the Three Nephites who never died? Are they currently members of the LDS Church? Did they have the Aaronic Priesthood? If not, did they get it from some LDS Members recently? Did they have the Melchezedek Priesthood? If not, why not?

So many questions. So little time.

[Lee'sGhost]

Could somebody contact a mod and have them take the “breaking” off the title.

[Elsie]

I see Joe's problem...

Joseph Smith History.
16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction—not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being—just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.

 

Ephesians 2:1-2

   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,  in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

[Elsie]

 Obviously the antis like to look at the period of 50 years of Polygamy in the early LDS church to tell us what we believe,

Nah, we just TELL what your Founder and leaders DID...

 

 

and they ignore the end of it over a hundred years ago,

Nah, we just point out the END of it was done in a spineless manner, not in the style of Thus Sayeth The LORD!...

 

they ignore the admonition that it’s up to the Lord to command to raise up seed unto him and build up his people,

Nah, we admit that HE already had said that - way back in Genesis...

 

 

they also ignore the sanctity of Marriage that the LDS view.

Nah, we don't ignore how you guys veiw your marraiges, or the way the early leaders veiwed theirs, either.

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Do you have answers for these questions?

[Elsie]

 

Before we get into a big discussion (it's getting late) Let me share what we beleive about Christ, and you can look these up at your leisure. This is official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

 

If that mess is a bit much for you, try this...

 

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

 

 

 

 

No; you WON'T find ANYTHING out about their secret Temple Rites® here.

 

[Elsie]

I would ask the same question to you...

#12 - YOU play defence for a while.