Posted on 04/05/2008 1:29:48 PM PDT by kingattax
Is it the nothing-can-be-done crowd’s assumption that the fellows who run armies of the ‘undocumented’ from Mexico into America are just kindhearted human smugglers who’d have nothing to do with jihad even if the price was right?
— Mark Steyn
... but that's just me.
“As I posted just a little bit earlier, you do not know that for sure.”
I don’t know for sure that he hates conservatives? I only have his actions and his words to go off of, you’ll have to forgive me for jumping to conclusions.
Man counters: It's never pragmatic to sacrifice conservative principles. As we have seen and are seeing that false premise only begets increasing and incremental socialism with the irony being socialists never sacrificing their principles.
More insidious, socialists believe themselves morally vindicated -- that "right" won out, and use it handily to cower the Republican image away from conservatism.
People act as if Hillary or Obama in the White House would be all-powerful. Yet Big Government McCain (the antithesis of a conservative) is the Republican. Like the other two, he sees more and bigger government, at the expense of individual freedom and labor, as the solution for every kind of social and economic ill. This he would do in the name of the Republican party and stain its image and core for a generation at least. Plus he's likely seriously mentally unstable and will blow, staining even worse the Republican party image as the one that elects nutso old kooks.
Hillary or Obama, on the other hand, would probably crash and burn spectacularly in their first term and really destroy the Democrat party. I think so many Democrats realize this that they're the ones that will elect McCain, not us. That's a bad sign. And here Republicans and "conservatives" who define its pricinples solely in terms of abortion and homosexuality, are so cowed by fear that they are emasculated into surrendering to McCain and telling themselves that it's better that way.
There is nothing pragmatic about supporting McCain.
By all means, please recite at least the main ones. I've seen a million posts from people who are on their knees to Politics of Fear and think that Obama or Hillary would be virtually and immediately omnimpotent. I've thought it through and come to the conclusion that both would in reality likely be virtually and immediately pariahs. I thought as much about Hillary when all the Politics of Fear Republicans here were yelping about how she was unbeatable, and I was right. I maintain it still. This nation is resilient enough to weather a fractured and screaming Democrat party. That so many Democrats say they'll vote for McCain first is a pretty bright red flag.
On the other hand, say a McCain-Romney ticket won and McCain went off the radar shortly into his first term for psych or medical reasons (which is what I think would happen), we'd have four and probably eight years of Big Daddy Republican leadership in state-run medicine, federal regulation for global warming, surrendering in the name of "gay rights" the true rights of individuals to discriminate as they please against people they think are homosexual, and on and on. Democrats look good for "reaching across the aisle" to support the Republicans, Republicans lose seats in congress, voters become disheartened and dissipate out of Republican ranks and out of its future pool of conservatives -- Americans as they become older and wiser. A very possible eight years of that!
You talk about a nightmare scenario, that's it.
tom is in the same boat with the rest of us. NO CHOICE.
What I’m saying is that I would like to have a conservative to vote for, and am open to a third party candidate, but I don’t see any out there with any chance to have an impact.
You don’t know for sure who he would appoint to the court. You knew what I meant. I feel sorry for your type who really don’t understand the supreme court is the main issue in this election. You can go with a question mark or a certainty, but the certainty will not teach the Republicans a lesson they will be able to do anything about for a couple of generations..
“You can go with a question mark or a certainty”
There is no question that we are certainly screwed, no matter who “wins” in November.
Pro-illegal Huckabee at least had the “road to Des Moines” conversion and came out in favor of Hunter’s immigration plans. Not so McStain. He’s still pimping amnesty. Nevertheless, it would not suprise me if Hunter endorses McCain.
Agreed.
I'm a cynic, but I can't quite make that leap. At least not in the face of so many countervailing factors which make it difficult, if not impossible, to control events in a manner to protect such financial interests. But I agree with you in one important aspect--our political hacks are corrupt enough to try.
>to control events in a manner to protect such financial interests.<
Have you ever seen what happens to the stock of a small company that wins a multimillion dollar military contract during a war? It takes off like a dog with his tail on fire.
How would you like to know a couple of weeks ahead of time that the bidding has been narrowed down to four, then three, then two companies? Remember when Hillary made that 100k in the market overnight? Seeing the picture yet?
Just my opinion.
I think there are opportunists in the mix, as you describe. But I don't think they are dominant in the military industrial complex. Most are small players in the big scheme of things.
As to advance knowledge of bidding, it doesn't even take that. I've watched some of the "green technology" stock prices after an Al Gore or Arnold Schwarzenegger make a public plug for some stupid penny-stock company. They pump it for everything its worth. They don't need to ever win a bid or even have a profitable company--the stock traders are making a mint off of this scam, all with the help of willing politicians.
Don't get me started on the Bill Jones' ethanol company.
You are right. I may reach the same conclusion as Rep. Tancredo. It will depend a lot on who he picks as VP. I just can’t bring myself to support McVain now.
You probably should not have had this sentence in your argument.
With Souter who knew? If you knew what he was like before the confirmation, you should have told someone. I remember it was a total surprise when he turned out the way he did.
I believe Ginsberg was confirmed with 99 senate votes. That means some of the most conservative Republicans voted to confirm her.
Someone mentioned to me that it was 97. They seemed to be pretty sure about it, but I didn’t check it out.
You may be right with regard to Souter, I do know that can be the case sometimes. You refer up someone who looked good on paper and then they go south. I don’t believe Ginsberg was an unknown. Besides, it’s these Senators jobs to know who they are voting for and not just wave their hand while the justice passes by.
Those three Republicans spent the time to figure it out. Why didn’t John? Are they wrong to have not voted for her then? Is John exhonerated?
I hear what you are saying, but this perplexes me. We hold John out to be our last hope with regard to SCOTUS appointments, but it’s unfair to mention that he voted to affirm the three worst one’s on the court today.
This isn’t a put-down of you personally, but where are we going with this if nothing anyone does anymore, is worthy of holding them accountable?
Couldn’t we basicly give Ted Kennedy absolution for everything he’s done in the past if we’re going to do it for our fair haired guy?
That idea troubles me. If our guy can do no wrong, how can we possibly trash others for doing wrong?
I personally hate the idea of Kennedy supporting Ginsberg, but how can I trash him for it if I’m going to wink and nod at my own guy for doing it?
Just venting... once again nothing personal intended.
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