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Live Replay of SCOTUS Oral Arguments in DC v. Heller (2A case)
C-SPAN ^ | March 18, 2007 | C-SPAN

Posted on 03/18/2008 9:25:56 AM PDT by NinoFan

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; dc; guns; heller; parker; scotus
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

for the uninitiated.....What is 922????

Thanks.


461 posted on 03/18/2008 6:07:58 PM PDT by Postman
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To: B4Ranch

The Venus de Milo???


462 posted on 03/18/2008 6:08:52 PM PDT by Postman
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To: Postman

Chapter 18, 922 of US code refering to firearms laws. Some are also located in 921 as well. It’s far to large to detail here, if you google it, you’ll find the morass of laws.

Mike


463 posted on 03/18/2008 6:09:14 PM PDT by BCR #226 (The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: unspun
How about bombs? When did it become illegal somewhere in the USA, to have a big ol’ bomb, unless he had a license?

You want bombs? No problem...Get a Type 10 License to manufacture explosives. If you can get the DOE and IAEA to certify you, start making nukes!

464 posted on 03/18/2008 6:13:06 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Lockup child molesters RFN!)
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To: Postman

LOL Maybe


465 posted on 03/18/2008 6:15:13 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: Postman
for the uninitiated.....What is 922????

An unconstitutional portion of the United States Code that infringes on the RKBA....it sets forth such inspid rules as the "sporting clause" which lets the unconstitutional and murderous federal LEO branch, BATF, make rules for importation, manufacture, and ownership of firearms to meet whatever "ruling" they say pertains to "sporting uses"....which is in direct contradiction to the 2nd Amendment.

Another unconstitutional violation is the McKlure (sp) Volkmer act which bans the manufacture of machineguns for civilian use after May 19, 1986, but your local 21 year old cop can be issued it to use against you and your family (again....ATF sets the standard in that arena).

Hope that helps.

466 posted on 03/18/2008 6:17:41 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Lockup child molesters RFN!)
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To: BCR #226

Thanks


467 posted on 03/18/2008 6:26:43 PM PDT by Postman
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To: BCR #226
licensing only applies to driving on public roads and property. Is this the comparison you are promoting?

No, I'm not promoting a direct, extensive comparison. Just making a point: there is no absolute and ultimate right in the U.S. Constitution, no matter what the circumstances.

468 posted on 03/18/2008 6:28:16 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: DCBryan1

Thanks to you too.


469 posted on 03/18/2008 6:28:28 PM PDT by Postman
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To: DCBryan1; SauronOfMordor
You want bombs? No problem...Get a Type 10 License to manufacture explosives. If you can get the DOE and IAEA to certify you, start making nukes!

Exactly what I'm speaking up for -- freedoms under our acknowledged social contract. Freedom with freedom's implicit responsibility.

470 posted on 03/18/2008 6:30:22 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: BCR #226
Get a formal legal education, then come back me. Until then, you should realize a couple of things. 1st, oral arguments are not predictive of a final decision. (In fact, in the grand scheme of things the oral argument means very little, the brief is where the case is won or lost.) 2nd, even if you wanted to use the oral arguments as predictive, you seem to have skipped over large portions where the Justices indicated that they would have likely upheld a machine gun ban as reasonable. 3rd, do you have any understanding of legal procedure at all? When a question is limited, the Court does not start randomly adding things into the equation. (BTW: Learn the difference between dicta and a holding.)

I am going to bump this thread when the decision is finally released. When it does not incorporate the 2nd Amendment to the States and does not overturn the Federal Machine Gun Ban, I will give you a nice, "I told you so."

I am not purposely trying to be abrasive, but I believe that folks running around making bold and ignorant predictions of the ramifications of this case, are doing damage to the conservative cause.

471 posted on 03/18/2008 6:36:36 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: SauronOfMordor
“I would settle for being entitled to own any firearm that any “law enforcement” agency at any level may own (including SWAT toys). If they have a legitimate need for something in order to deal with violent criminals or rioters, then so do I”

I was discussing this with my brother a few moments ago, and cited the same things you did re: 18th century crew-served weapons. He's Navy, and mentioned Frigates, and I mentioned that as a good example. There were many in private hands in the US before our Navy got one.

On the other hand, I don't see any good reason to settle for less than is our due. Anything a military guy can have, I can have, as a direct descendent of the 18th century military guys. Today's F-22 Raptor is a direct descendent of the battlefield superiority weapon of the 18th Century, the Pennsylvania Rifle, the Ferguson Rifle, and all the other accurate and affordable arms of the day.

Personally, I want an F-111D. I figure to park it in my back yard, and go pee on it every day... Too bloody expensive to fix, and sucks JP-4 like there's no tomorrow. And those are it's good points.

472 posted on 03/18/2008 6:43:07 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: NinoFan

I wonder how we could have our revolution to throw off said government as is stated in the Declaration, if we don’t have guns outside the military?


473 posted on 03/18/2008 6:45:01 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: supercat
“Why would someone be too dangerous to trust with a gun, but not too dangerous to trust with a car? Or with matches and gasoline? Or any other dangerous objects or substances?”

Valid point. ANY object can become a weapon in the hands of someone desperate enough to use it. Including, for example, a newspaper, pen, or rusty tin can lid.

A weapon is an object for applying force. That happens to also be a definition for many tools. For example, I conk you on the head with a 15” Crescent Wrench, you ARE going down. Unless I'm particularly gentle in doing it, you won't be getting back up, either.

474 posted on 03/18/2008 6:55:51 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Personally, I dont see them giving us machine guns back, but I would be pleased to be proved wrong.

Even the most conservative Justices (Thomas excepted, for obvious reasons) seem to have left a lot of cover for existing restrictions on military arms. Counter-intuitively, they seem to say it's important to protect the right of the individual to show up armed for militia muster as long as they don't do it with anything more powerful than what's commonly available to the average civilian. And, by the way, machine guns (or anything else we decide isn't OK) aren't commonly available since the law makers say they can't be.

475 posted on 03/18/2008 7:18:03 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution)
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To: Abundy

No, but RP is an @ss.


476 posted on 03/18/2008 7:21:14 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

“The loosest state laws for carry have those.”

Vermont has no license or permit for carry.


477 posted on 03/18/2008 7:29:57 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DaveLoneRanger

“The classic “fire in a crowded theater” example. “

You can yell fire in a crowded theater if the place is on fire. The full quote uses the word “falsely”.


478 posted on 03/18/2008 7:44:22 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DaveLoneRanger

“As for religion, would you say not allowing live goat sacrifice constitutes “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion?”

Yes. And if you will ban actual sacrifice why allow symbolic sacrifice, or sacrifice in which the participants believe they are consuming human flesh?

If the goat is eaten afterwards, is it sacrifice or slaughter for food? That would depend on the words spoken, and that leads you into the realm of halal meat preparation, is that really sacrifice, or slaughter?


479 posted on 03/18/2008 7:50:00 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NinoFan

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....With Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., and Justices Samuel A. Alito, Jr., and Antonin Scalia leaving little doubt that they favor an individual rights interpretation of the Amendment (and with Justice Clarence Thomas, though silent on Tuesday, having intimated earlier that he may well be sympathetic to that view), Kennedy’s inclinations might make him — once more — the holder of the decisive vote.”
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On a previous Supreme Court decision, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion stating, “...the Second Amendment protects an individual right...”. So, I would consider Justice Thomas to be solidly on the side of individual rights.


480 posted on 03/18/2008 8:18:13 PM PDT by punster
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