Vatican Leader Gives Update To 'Sin List'

www.newsnet5.com ^ | 3/11/2008 | Associated Press

[mmichaels1970]

The Vatican has released new guidance for Roman Catholics on modern sins they should avoid committing, among them polluting the Earth and genetic manipulation.

Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, the head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, told Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano over the weekend that today's new "modern" sins center on bioethical questions, warning that humans should avoid genetic manipulation, such as stem cell research, which can be "difficult to predict and control.".....

Other modern evils, he said, include "ecological offenses," following the Vatican's growing concern over climate change, which it says affects the entire human race.....

[mmichaels1970]

Took them hundreds of years to believe that the world was round, but they'll buy into Global Warming right away.

[NYer]

Took them hundreds of years to believe that the world was round, but they'll buy into Global Warming right away.

First off, this story has been posted multiple times to FR.

Secondly, there are no "new" sins. You probably missed this thread.

Not "new sins" but an old media blind spot (Vatican _DOES_NOT_ Announce Seven New Deadly Sins)

[massgopguy]

“Forgive me Father for I have sinned. I stole a banana and ate the skin.”

[WayneS]

I notice molesting young boys is not on there...

...or was that ALREADY on the list?

[Syncro]

First off, this story has been posted multiple times to FR.

From the same source? This story doesn't completely cover the new proclamations.

Could you post the links to other stores on this from other sources?

Thanks

[tumblindice]

Is this going to be on the test?

[NYer]

I notice molesting young boys is not on there... ...or was that ALREADY on the list?

What's your point?

[OpusatFR]

Amazing that those who call the MSM liars most of the time, are truly eager to believe everything the MSM says about the Church.

Try this thread from newsbusters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983926/posts

[ElPatriota]

...I notice molesting young boys is not on here... ...or was that ALREADY on the list?..

ROLF! :)

Amazin isn't it?... I will never understand how an organization of this size tradition can handle and obvious "problem" like this but just shesh......................................... Keep it quiet................... and it will slowly go away.....

SHhhhhhh....

[mkjessup]

The bottom line is that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

That is direct from the Word of God, and it refers to EVERYONE, with the exception of the One perfect, sinless life which is noneother than Jesus Christ Himself.

“Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the Vatican sputtering about global warming and other irrelevancies.”

[D-fendr]

The lead sentence in this is false.

This silly error seems to have a life of its own here on FR.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”
-Mark Twain

[mmichaels1970]

First off, this story has been posted multiple times to FR

I did a search on the title of the article, and found no posts.

That said, I did just read an article about how this story was distorted and was only an interview with Monsignor Girotti who has no authority to proclaim "new sins".

Maybe the story is in the distortion, and its probable use as propaganda for GW.

[NYer]

Could you post the links to other stores on this from other sources?

You can search it on FR. The more important version, however, is the one I posted above. For purposes of clarification, you can learn much from that link:

An ordinary reader, basing his opinion only on the inane Telegraph coverage, might conclude that a "sin," in the Catholic understanding, is nothing more than a violation of rules set down by a group of men in Rome. If these rules are entirely arbitrary, then Vatican officials can change them at will; some sins will cease to exist and other "new sins" will replace them. But that notion of sin is ludicrous.

Sin is an objective wrong: a violation of God's law. What is sinful today will be sinful tomorrow, and a deadly sin will remain deadly, whether or not Telegraph editors recognize the moral danger. The traditional list of deadly sins remains intact; nothing has replaced it. Greed, gluttony, and lust are as wrong today as they were a day or a year or a century ago. If Archbishop Girotti referred to "new" sins, it is because some of the offenses he named (such as genetic manipulation) were impossible in the past, and others (such as international drug trafficking) are much more prevalent today, in a global society. Insofar as people could have engaged in these activities a century ago, they would have been sinful then as well.

A sin is not a sin because simply an archbishop proclaims it so. Sin, the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches us, "is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience…" The precepts of "reason, truth, and right conscience" do not shift in response to political trends, nor do they change at the whim of Vatican officials.

The fundamental point of the L'Osservatore Romano interview was that Catholics need to recover a sense of sin, make use of the sacrament of Confession, and receive absolution for their offenses. Sin, the archbishop insisted, is a reality that man cannot escape.

Archbishop Girotti said that the modern world does not understand the nature of sin. With their coverage of the interview, the mass media unintentionally underlined the prelate's point.

[WayneS]

I guess my point is that the Church should be concentrating their moral efforts on REAL problems, incliuding the ones they themselves have, instead of lecturing us about new “sinful behaviors” which are based on nothing more than junk science.

[NYer]

I will never understand how an organization of this size tradition can handle and obvious "problem" like this

Really? You will no doubt understand this better.

Child Sexual Molestation by Protestant Clergy of Every Denomination

[ElPatriota]

I saw the link.... It's so obvious the problem is STILL THERE... TODAY!

But even more amazing is that the members of the CC are not up in arms!... If the regular Catholic would have given the CC hell from the beginning (pun intended :), they would have cleaned up long ago!....

Just like politcians, which they are in a way, they just wait the problem will simply go away some day.

I can't help to think that there must be homosexuals all the way up the ranks, who knows how high...

[MEGoody]

These don't sound like 'new sins' to me, but expressions of existing principles.

It is a shame that the Catholic Church seems to have bought in to the junk science of global warming. We should be good stewards of the earth God has given us, of course, but the term 'polluting the earth' can mean many things.

[Syncro]

You can search it on FR.

Thanks, I did that.

Because you expressed knowledge of the many other threads, I thought you could post the links.

I have not found what I was looking for, which was a simple list that I saw on the MSN last nite.

Yes, I realize their bias and many times incorrect information.

On that list was something akin to one of the "new" sins was amassing obscene wealth.

Do you know if that was mentioned in the many threads you noticed?

Thanks

[WayneS]

Ahhh yes. Two wrongs DO make it right.

[WayneS]

PS - The list you posted is not accurate. There is a Baptist minister named Shifflet (or some such) from the Culpeper, Virginia area who was convicted of abusing children in his care in 2005 or 2006. You should ask your Vatican over-lords to update their information.

PPS - Never, not anywhere, ever, have you ever seen a post by me, ever, that claims that the clergy child abuse problem is a Catholic-only thing. I challenge you to find ANY post that I have ever made that even implies that.

The particular story to which this thread is related happens to be about Catholic officials making politically correct asses of themselves by INVENTING sins when they have all kinds of REAL sins they could be concentrating on reducing. Thus, my comments were aimed at the Catholic Church.