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1 posted on 03/06/2008 6:57:00 PM PST by van_erwin
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That's a good start, Obama.

Now move on to the more advanced lessons.

"I believe in the sanctity of human life, even AFTER birth."

"I believe in the right to keep an bear arms."

"I believe in the integrity of the United States border."

"I believe that a progressive tax code is bad for America."

"I believe that militant Islam is a grave threat to the free world."

"I believe in the US Military as the greatest force for peace and freedome the world has ever known."

(and the biggie)

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"I believe the Democrats have lost their way. Read about it on FRee Republic!"

Cheers!

55 posted on 03/06/2008 7:24:31 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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I question whether you can truly be a Christian and adhere to liberal or Democrat ideology.

There is no question that when he was small Obama attended a Muslim school. His father and step-father were both Muslims. How deep Muslim indoctrination went into his soul is unclear. But, given his liberal Democrat views, it is hard to believe he is truly a Christian.

There may not be a formal relgious test for office in America, but a lot of people will find it hard to vote for Obama when they know about his unclear religious background. It is important we all point out these facts about Obama to our family, friends and acquaintances.


61 posted on 03/06/2008 7:27:56 PM PST by FFranco
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http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1007&more=1&c=1

On Obama’s church’s “yoga ministry” page:

“Within each us is the seed of Divinity.
Each Soul is divine.
I bow to the divinity in us all!”


63 posted on 03/06/2008 7:29:49 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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I find this statement unbelievable!

Why ..??

Because I’ve already heard Obama say that he doesn’t know if he’ll go to heaven.

IF YOU’RE A BELIEVER .. A PERSON WHO HAS RECEIVED JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR .. YOU KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO HEAVEN AND NOBODY CAN EVER TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY.

You can’t claim to be a Christian .. and not know where you will end your days.


76 posted on 03/06/2008 7:41:26 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: The greatest nation on the face of the earth.)
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Well, I am pretty doubtful Obama is a muslim, I will say that up front.

However, if he was a devout muslim, he would be allowed to lie to non-believers. He could even deny Allah to others and not have it count against him. It is the principle of “Al-Taqiyaa”.

Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so (to protect themselves, to deceive an enemy, etc, to get an enemy to do something they wouldn’t if you were honest with them). Among these are:

War is deception.
The necessities justify the forbidden.
If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran.

In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:
“ Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.” Surah 5:89

“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.” Surah 2:225

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106

The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, “If they turned, you turn.” (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

So if he WAS a devout muslim he could be lying about it and it would be okay (as a muslim) to lie about it and still be considered a muslim in good standing. But again, I am doubtful that he is.


81 posted on 03/06/2008 7:47:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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OK, but I still don’t vote for liberals, socialists, and commies.


84 posted on 03/06/2008 7:49:41 PM PST by Kirkwood
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""I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.""

....so does the devil !

85 posted on 03/06/2008 7:54:14 PM PST by KTM rider (Why cut off your nose to spite your face, when you can just hold it instead)
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Ping to read later


91 posted on 03/06/2008 8:03:01 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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Was Obama ever Baptized? Did he renounce the Muslim religion? Anyone have him making this statement?
93 posted on 03/06/2008 8:04:41 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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Who cares what this dope says? He’s trying to pit the writings of Paul against the Sermon on the Mount. He’s an Obamanation.


94 posted on 03/06/2008 8:05:35 PM PST by MovementConservative (Terminate the Duke 88)
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The problem with this article is that Obama reiterates his bland denial of ever having been a Muslim, in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

This puts everything else in dubious light.


105 posted on 03/06/2008 9:04:53 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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Obama: "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."

Obama went on to say, "But if Mary, as a result of her unwed pregnancy, had wanted to exercise choice, I would fully have supported her." /sarcasm
109 posted on 03/06/2008 9:31:27 PM PST by aruanan
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I wonder who told him to say that?


112 posted on 03/06/2008 10:32:21 PM PST by PGR88
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Obama: ""I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."

"..and in killing as many unborn children as possible."

Derek, if you want to take up the Cross, take it up, but any Christian who votes for you is a dolt and a son of the Devil.
117 posted on 03/07/2008 12:56:33 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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it is taught in the koran that you are to lie and deceive the infidel to further the jihad.


118 posted on 03/07/2008 1:12:19 AM PST by Canedawg (Say NO to Che HUSSEIN Obama)
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What’s sad is that people will think these Democrats are serious about believing in both the resurrection of Christ and killing babies by abortion. Which one do you think they REALLY believe in? I mean, if you’re talking about Mitt Romney, that guy was a bit of a mystery. But these Dem’s telegraph loud and clear what they really believe!


120 posted on 03/07/2008 3:08:46 AM PST by guitarist
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Just saw that horrid lie about “no one” being for abortion. Sure, there are more than a million a year in the States, but don’t worry: no one is for it!


121 posted on 03/07/2008 3:10:35 AM PST by guitarist
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Be VERY careful of ridiculing another’s profession of faith in Christ - whether YOU believe it or not.


122 posted on 03/07/2008 3:25:08 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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One can not respect, understand or accept a law so obviously against God’s will and call themselves a Christian.


133 posted on 03/07/2008 6:57:14 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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"I have never practiced Islam."

Obama is a liar.

134 posted on 03/07/2008 7:01:19 AM PST by frogjerk (Freepers are beta-testers for the MSM)
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