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WSU Researchers Study Fate of an Ancient American Southwest Civilization
Salem-News.com ^ | 2-19-2008 | WSU

Posted on 02/29/2008 6:33:25 AM PST by blam

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Thanks to Renfield for the article.

Some new people arrived:

The Zuni Enigma

"Did a group of thirteenth-century Japanese journey to the American Southwest, there to merge with the people, language, and religion of the Zuni tribe?"

1 posted on 02/29/2008 6:33:30 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Renfield

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 02/29/2008 6:34:03 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I thought the Anasazi crawled through some kind of trans-dimensional hole into a parallel universe.


3 posted on 02/29/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by Sender (Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.)
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A cascading series of complex events led to a very simple simple conclusion; the people lost faith in their leaders.


4 posted on 02/29/2008 6:49:47 AM PST by DManA
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To: blam

“Why you come to land of heart-ripping Aztec and fierce Yaqui?”

Looking fearfully over his shoulder, the chief said, “Man, there’s some mean sumbitches on my trail.”


5 posted on 02/29/2008 7:11:26 AM PST by wildbill
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To: blam

Living in semi caves, gathering pine nuts and killing rabbits to live on is not CIVILIZATION !


6 posted on 02/29/2008 7:26:25 AM PST by RicocheT
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“Archaeological evidence, in combination with some oral traditions among modern Pueblos, suggest that the Anasazi fled the region ........”

This is true in regards to oral tradition since the anasazi were cannibals so they did flee orally through each others mouth and out their sphincter.


7 posted on 02/29/2008 7:29:22 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: blam

I would say the simple climate change theory caused the complex factors the researchers found.


8 posted on 02/29/2008 7:30:32 AM PST by Cold Heart
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If the Spaniards hadn’t arrived when they did, we probably wouldn’t have any existing Pueblo cultures. They were in a state of decline and coming under attack by the newly arrived Athabaskan people. The Spaniards and their Mexican successors were barely able to sustain a civilization until the Americans came, and now that the Americans have established successful civilizations, the migrants that the Spanish and Mexicans could never get to come here, can’t be stopped. The story is still being written.


9 posted on 02/29/2008 7:50:43 AM PST by pallis
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They moved north along the Chaco meridian from Chaco to Salmon, thence to Aztec and thence back south along the meridian past Chaco to Paquim. At each point they resumed governance over the San Juan River basin and the Colorado plateau

These movements occurred over hundreds of years.

10 posted on 02/29/2008 7:55:55 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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They are alive and well on Hopi mesa where they have lived for 900 or so years. Hopi Mesa villages are the longest continuously occupied sites in the USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oraibi


11 posted on 02/29/2008 7:59:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: RicocheT

Go visit Chaco canyon and say that


12 posted on 02/29/2008 8:00:31 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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13 posted on 02/29/2008 8:01:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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the final population collapse within the region resulted from a complex set of environmental changes and societal pressures-including climate change

Too bad the Goracle wasn't around back then -

He could have convinced them it was Bush's fault...

14 posted on 02/29/2008 8:19:41 AM PST by NorCoGOP (Stop Billary 2008! If nothing else, think of the White House sinks!)
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Since the Navajo/Nadene language is a relative of those tribes much further to the north (like the Dakotas/Montana), the greater liklihood is that a northern tribe moved south following herds, found river valleys, and either conquered or married into local river agricultural tribes.


15 posted on 02/29/2008 8:31:43 AM PST by tbw2 (Libertarian sci-fi without Heinlein's free love - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - amazon.com)
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To: bert

Amen. Mrs. Renfield and I visited Chaco, Mesa Verde, and Aztec Ruins a couple of years ago. These mysterious people had a remarkably advanced culture, especially given that they did not (as far as we can determine) have any system of writing (beyond a few simple pictograms).


16 posted on 02/29/2008 8:32:09 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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Chaco is very, very impressive. It’s a bit of an enigma to me why they built it there - as I recall timbers had to be hauled from quite a distance for the construction.
17 posted on 02/29/2008 9:28:26 AM PST by colorado tanker
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I read Louis L'Amour's "The Haunted Mesa" which was based on old tribal legends. It was pretty cool, with the ancient "kiva" being the window into the "other side", where the Anasazi supposedly went.

There were bad people on the other side, supposedly from the Mayan legend of "Xibalba".

18 posted on 02/29/2008 9:59:46 AM PST by Sender (Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.)
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Navajos? This research has nothing to do with the Navajos.


19 posted on 02/29/2008 10:17:32 AM PST by Betis70
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There is research into where the Anasazi came from, if not related to the Pueblo. The infusion of a new, “outsider” culture could explain the loss of the Anasazi culture. Like the fall of Rome to the barbarians.


20 posted on 02/29/2008 3:49:52 PM PST by tbw2 (Libertarian sci-fi without Heinlein's free love - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - amazon.com)
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