Posted on 02/24/2008 4:18:12 PM PST by no nau
Good luck.
Christianity is based on faith, not proof.
Science is based on evidence, not faith.
They are completely different disciplines.
Science is based on evidence, not faith.
They are completely different disciplines.
True. So what?
That's a curious statement. What did he mean by that?
Some people have doubts that need answers which should not be confused with doubts which answer needs.
Mr. Ham is no where near as clever as he thinks he is.
The Bible time and again uses words like willingly ignorant and yet the Heavenly Father gave the freedom and liberty to each soul to make their own choice. Some people are born never to believe in this flesh age.
If you have never questioned God’s existence,
you have never really believed in him.
Curious then, that Chritianity (religion) doesn't change much over time, but what was scientific fact 150 years ago is almost completely discredited now.
ML/NJ
He’s the guy with the “creation museum.”
I am therefor I is.
Many deny they even have them but every one does. You have to, to even have a point from which to debate.
But it's hard to talk with someone in denial.
Evolution:
1) we didn’t see it
2) because we weren’t there
3) and it’s not happening today.
Creation:
1) buildings (duh) have builders
2) paintings (duh) have painters
3) creation (duh) has a creator
All you need, are eyes that see, and a brain that works to know that 1-3 are true.
A lot of reading on the computer screen, but so worth it. I may send this to my Pastor.
God Bless us all.
Isn’t this one of the fundamentalists who believes (among other things) that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and man inhabited the earth at the same time?
Yes but then again, there are religious dogmas that have evolved over time as well. Science produces cures for diseases, advances in technology (like what we are communuicating over right now), transporation, energy, etc.
There’s room for both.
The young man looked at me and blurted out, ‘What was that book you recommended?’ He finally realized that his belief undercut its own foundations —such ‘reasoning’ destroys the very basis for reason.
This reads like it's straight out of a Jack Chick tract.
The Theory of Evolution (of Man) is just that - A Theory.
The Theory of Intelligent Design (of Man) is just that - A Theory.
Both theories have some facts that support them - and other facts that don’t support them.
It used to be that places of higher learning taught students to think for themselves based on scientific facts and evidence.
But what “facts” support intelligent design?
1. Evolution doesn’t explain anything on how it all began. As a theory, it is grossly incomplete. At least intelligent design has a theory on the “absolute beginning.”
2. Where did the laws of nature and physics come from? They shape nature and effect evolution. Do we ignore the “architect” and just focus on the designs? Would this make any sense in any field of science or engineering?
3. Esteemed mathematicians and scientists have put forward fully vetted and accepted theories that the complex life we see on earth could have no way “accidentally” evolved in the “short” accepted age of the universe. The time period is too small and the complexity of life is too advanced or that there is no scientific way a cell could have evolved over any period of time in the life of the universe and in stages (as evolution demands). If these scientifically based theories can just be ignored, why not other theories?
4. The millions of miracles that have occurred and the hundred of thousands that have been documented since written history. Are they all fakes and hoaxes? Just because we can’t explain them should we just ignore them? Does this remind you of the 14th century “the world is flat” belief system or the universe revolves around the earth closed mindedness?
5. The historical accuracy of the Bible. Nearly a year doesn’t go by where some archeologist finds a city/people/event/ruler exactly where the Bible said it was or medical/scientific breakthrough proves the validity of a Biblical historical point. So, if historically, the Bible can be trusted, why not on some spiritual level?
6. We have free will. We have morals and a conscience. We make ethical choices every day. Where did that come from? If we just “evolved” we should be just be following our natural DNA pre-programming as near robots (like flowers or wolves or fishes do - they do what they do because that is what they are - they can not choose to do different). Are we just blobs of DNA - and that is it? Then I/we are responsible for nothing - the DNA made me do it.
7. It is interesting that nearly all cultures and peoples in nearly every corner of the globe since the dawn of mankind have “invented” a God. Almost like we were preprogrammed to do so? If it was just a “random thing,” why is it so prevalent?
8. I can blow huge holes in the theory of evolution in explanation on how humans got here. For instance - evolution can not explain the “origin of life” from dead chemicals and the fossil evidence is unviable and dubious (at best) from animal to man. We know more on how the Brontosaurus evolved than man. Why is that? Is it because we have not looked hard enough or is it we are looking for something that doesn’t exist?
This is actually a very old argument: St Paul, the Apostle, once wrote of pagans: “Behold they have exchanged the Truth for a lie and worshipped the creation rather than the Creator.”
It doesn’t mean the theory of evolution is wrong - but it may mean that it needs to be updated and that it may only be a partial explanation (like micro-evolution of lizards on two separate islands over some time to adapt to their surroundings).
As I said - The Theory of Evolution is just that - a Theory. And when we let a Judge decide what theories are correct and what theories are incorrect (or can NOT even be mentioned) we have truly lost something.
It seems like “progressives” or “secular humanists” or “naturalists” want it both ways - they believe in a “philosophy” that puts man at the center of the universe. That all can be explained by science, that humankind is neither good or bad, neither right or wrong and that all bad things can be done away with if you have the right people in charge and the right laws. Their basic belief is that Man (or the state) is God.
They want what they “believe” to be taught in schools (at taxpayer expense, of course) and to the exclusion of any other philosophy.
For instance:
The Progressive agenda wants abortion on demand for any reason. If you believe in the opposite - that must be a “religious” belief and can/must banned from the schools, government or public grounds. Just look at the debates for the next Supreme Court justice.
The Progressive agenda wants only man at the center of morals and judgment. If you believe in the opposite - that must be a “religious” belief and can/must be banned from the schools, government or public grounds. Just look at the debates about gay marriage, drugs, pornography, divorce, adultery, cloning, prayer in school, vouchers, stem cell research, obscenity on the public airways, etc.
The Progressive agenda wants only “natural law and evolution” to explain how we got here. If you believe in the opposite - that must be a “religious” belief and can/must be banned from the schools, government or public grounds. Just look at the debate of evolution vs. creation.
And ETC. on nearly every issue.
See my point? One side gets all the benefits because they are only a “philosophy” and not a religion. The other side gets hammered because they are a “religion” and not a “philosophy.” In reality, there is not a bit of difference between the two - it is all how a person personally views life (worldviews and ideologies). But somehow we have allowed one at the total exclusion of the other and called it “Constitutional,” when it is about the furthest thing from the Constitution as the Founding Father wanted or desired.
Let’s face it, “Darwinism has become Naturalism” and it is just as much religion as Christianity, Judaism, etc. Naturalists “worship” the idea that matter is all there is. What you see is what you get. Humanity is a product of time, chance, and natural selection. There can be nothing else outside of the natural system. Period. Any other claim is nonsense and nothing but superstition.
Actually, when you think of it - quite an intolerant religion at that.
Regards,
2banana
Creationists have no problem with their presupposition. Yet evolutionists will simply not admit that their entire belief system is based on the idea that evolution is true from the beginning.
Many epicycles have been added to the Ptolemaic system.
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