Secret Is Out: RUSH Helps McCain

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[Yosemitest]

Secret Is Out: Rush Helps McCain
February 14, 2008

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RUSH: The Drive-By Media, ladies and gentlemen, two days later is still fascinated with my claim that I am actually the greatest asset Senator McCain has. Because were I to endorse him -- said I -- it would send all the moderates and the independents and the liberals that are supporting him scurrying away, such is their dislike, their hate, their loathing for me. So this is being discussed still on the cable shows.
Morning Joe today, Joe Scarborough had Mary Matalin on as a guest on the phone. Scarborough said,

"You agree with Rush that it's the moderates and not the conservatives that are really embracing McCain right now?"
MATALIN: Rush is a genius. He's a genius on philosophy, he's a genius on policy, but most importantly, he's a genius on being able to communicate difficult ideas and make them accessible to people.
And it bears repeating, something the mainstream press doesn't seem to understand. He reflects his audience, which is highly informed and active and curious, and they participate in this process. He does not direct them.
If Rush did endorse him then all the moderates and independents who don't listen to him and don't understand what he's about would have a knee-jerk reaction. He's just a genius.

RUSH: (laughter) Mary Matalin. She wasn't through. She kept plowing on.

MATALIN: He's helping McCain in a very significant way, which is while McCain is regrouping, and he got a really good start at CPAC.
You were there, Joe. It was a great event. And he did a great job starting to rally and unite and articulate core conservative principles and the policies that would flow from them. Rush keeps informing people and making them understand what those principles are the policies that would be better for this country.
So he's a huge help to McCain every conceivable way.

RUSH: The secret's getting out. You know, the secret's
-- once the secret's out it's not a secret. When you have a marketing plan, you don't tell people about it because they prepares 'em. You just execute it. I gotta come up with another marketing plan here to stay a couple steps ahead of the game.
They also discussed whether I'm secretly helping McCain on Chatsworth Osborne, Jr.'s show on DNCTV. He was talking to another guy, Joe Mathieu, a radio host. They had in exchange about moi.

CARLSON: Rush Limbaugh -- who I think is a really talented guy, a witty guy -- lost control of himself a couple of weeks ago on the question of John McCain. Got hysterical and hissy on the air. It would destroy the Republican Party if McCain's the nominee.
Now that McCain essentially is the nominee, here is what Rush Limbaugh is saying -- which I don't buy for a second. Quote:
"If I really wanted to torpedo McCain," (boy screams)
"I would endorse him, because that would send the independents and liberals that are going to vote for him running away faster than anything.
What people don't realize is, I'm doing McCain the biggest favor that could be done for him by staying out.
If I endorse him thoroughly, with passion, that would end the independents and moderates because they so despise me, they so hate me."

That is quite a narcissistic view about the electoral system -- it's all about Rush Limbaugh, but -- do you think that's true?

MATHIEU: I actually think there's a certain amount of truth to that, especially as maybe he was just saying, how important the independent vote will be for Senator McCain in a general election.

RUSH: There you go. So the radio host sets Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. straight. (interruption)
See, this is the thing. This came up last Friday, maybe it was Monday. I went to the little riff here on all this criticism.
I don't take it personally. You can't. There's just too much of it. I don't give people that kind of power over my feelings. I am not going to sit here and take all this criticism personally. I have been criticized over 20 years more than your average presidential candidate in one campaign cycle! You can't take it personally.
So "this little twit," according to Snerdley (that's what he called him in the IFB just now), called me narcissist.
See, what happened in that conversation, Dawn and everybody said... (
Oh, by the way, Dawn, I gotta tell you. Dawn sent me a humidifier. They got so alarmed when I said that I was going to put a pot of boiling water on the stove here to keep the apartment humidified during the cold weather up here so I didn't lose my voice like I did last time, they sent me a humidifier. Dawn did it, but she signed Snerdley and Brian's name to the card. I know they had nothing to do with it.
(laughing) Well, yeah, you bought doughnuts, but yip yip yip yip yahoo.)
So, anyway, Snerdley, they said last week when I was going through this riff about I don't take things personally, said,
"Well, we take it personally for you."
So he listens to Chatsworth Osborne, Jr., call me a narcissist, or narcissistic and ego-driven and demands that I respond to this.
"How dare this little guy?"
Snerdley, it's not... I would have already been through the next sound bite by now, if you hadn't interrupted me on this, and the audience will agree with me. I get e-mails:
"You tell Snerdley to quit interrupting you!"
So, anyway, Chris Matthews. Let's see. He can't buy my McCain theory, either. This is what he said. MATTHEWS: Is Rush Limbaugh actually John McCain's best buddy secretly, his saving grace, his biggest booster?
Sort of, at least according to Rush himself. Here he is, the man on the radio.
RUSH ARCHIVE: If I really wanted to torpedo McCain, I would endorse him
-- if I wanted to torpedo McCain
-- because that would send the independents and liberals that are going to vote for him running away faster than anything.
What people don't realize is, I'm doing McCain the biggest favor could be done for him, by staying out of this. If I endorsed him thoroughly, with passion, that would end the independents and moderates, 'cause they so despise me and they so hate me.

MATTHEWS: I love the way he lowered his voice there:

"They so despise me."
Anyway, still something tells me that John McCain right now would gladly like nothing more than a Rush Limbaugh big, fat endorsement.

RUSH: So Chris Matthews not buying my secret plan, and neither did Chatsworth Osborne, Jr.
One more, before we go to the break.
This is John King. (Is this right?) It was CNN's election center. The anchor is Campbell Brown, there's a panel discussion now. Larry Elder, Jeffrey Toobin, and John King about me and McCain. And Campbell Brown says,

"You know, the talk radio issue, there was enormous anger coming from that crowd toward McCain. Are they that influential?"

ELDER: There's Rush Limbaugh and then there's everybody else in terms of influence.

TOOBIN: I just think the talk radio thing is more a symptom of the personality disorders of the talk radio hosts.

ELDER: Hey! Hey! Hey!

TOOBIN: Rather than -- present company excluded.

ELDER: Let's take it outside.

ELDER: No, no, no. I'm fine with you.

BROWN: Isn't in their interest to be against whoever, whether John McCain or a Democrat in the White House?

TOOBIN: They're trying to show how important they are, rather than trying to affect a policy debate. I don't think they matter very much.

KING: They thrive on conflict. The conversations are under way. Friends of Rush Limbaugh, who are friendly with John McCain started the conversations.

BROWN: Is there going to be a summit?

TOOBIN: That's right.

KING: They're beginning the quiet diplomacy with them.

TOOBIN: That's right.

KING: You watch. John McCain is going to show up on these shows in the next weeks and months.

RUSH: Whoa!
Is this happening, H.R.? Snerdley is no doubt, after listening to this bite, seething over Jeffrey Toobin saying,
"They're just trying to show how important they are, rather than trying to affect the policy debate."
I don't know if Toobin read the TIME piece.
But even if he reads the TIME piece, he will ignore what I said and stick with his narrative and template, which is 180 degrees wrong.
John King, what did he say here?
"Conversations are underway. Friends of Limbaugh, friends with McCain have started the conversations. They're beginning quiet diplomacy."
I can tell you, ladies and gentlemen: if this is happening, I am unaware of it.
Well, it's possible we've been infiltrated, and there might be people claiming to be my friends who aren't my friends; talking to McCain's friends.
I don't know, but I don't know anything about it.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: George Skelton, who writes for the LA Times from Sacramento, the headline is really all you need to hear on this LA Times story. "Heading Starboard Could Sink McCain in California."

Going left was the most promising route in California, McCain better stay to the port. He goes starboard, he embraces Limbaugh, it's over in California. He's not going to win California anyway.
This is my point.
Let's say I went out to California, I have reasons to go there, and lets say I endorsed McCain, that would kill him in California because the independents and Democrats that were going to vote for him,
"Not now. Not that Limbaugh is on his side, no way."
It could be fun.

Curt in East Bay of San Francisco.
Hi. Nice to have you on the program, sir.

CURT: Well, thanks, Rush.
Mega dittos from the California Republican.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: I have two points.
For one of the few times that I know of since listening to your show, conservative talk radio and most of the mainstream media have a common goal, and that is the demise of the Clintons and Hillary Clinton's presidential run. That's my first point.
And the second point is,
a few years ago you said that candidates that Bill Clinton endorses generally lose.
I'm going to hang up and listen to your reply. Thanks, Rush.

RUSH: I did say that, but what do you want to know about that?
Wow, that's the fastest hang-up of somebody who wasn't mad that I can remember.
He doesn't help.
Look, he hasn't helped her. He's created all kinds of problems in South Carolina, now he's back in Waukesha, Wisconsin, and didn't look happy in the crowd.
As to the Drive-Bys and talk radio being on the same page, anti-Hillary, I've not made up my mind on that.
In terms of if you're going to express a preference on the Democrat side, who would you rather run against and then who would you rather have as president, Obama or Hillary,
I know that there's a lot of people that would just celebrate the demise of the Clintons, whenever it happens, the sooner the better. Get 'em outta here, it would be happy days.
The Drive-Bys may like Obama right now, but I will guarantee you if Hillary becomes the nominee, the love fest will kick back in gear full speed ahead because they're not going to end up touting our side.

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RUSH: Doug, Fayetteville, North Carolina, nice to have you, sir. Welcome to the EIB Network.

CALLER: Sir, I appreciate you taking my call very much.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: By the way, I love your promos. They're great.
I was wondering, something I've been asking people and I haven't gotten a good answer from anybody about, so I thought I would ask you, it concerns McCain.
For years he's been the media darling, the maverick, he goes against his own party, they love each other.
And my question was, if he becomes president, then he's no longer going to be a maverick, he's going to be the establishment. And what's going to happen when all of a sudden the media turn against him because he's no longer the lovable maverick that they've had before.

RUSH: Well, I think that might happen before he wins the presidency or is inaugurated. It depends.
But if he wants to hold on to the maverick label, it would be simple as pie to do it, especially if he wins the White House, it would be easy. We talked about this yesterday.
You have to think, just based on voter enthusiasm -- I hope this is not true. This is conventional wisdom right now, but even the Republicans whose business it is to calculate these things, will tell you that the Democrat majorities in the House and Senate are going to increase.
Right now they're pretty narrow and they can't get a lot done, plus they got Bush vetoing things but they're going to have a bigger margin. All they need is 60 votes in the Senate. If they get up to 53 to 55 Senators, they're going to have four or five liberal Republicans that will join 'em to get to 60.
The House majority, Nancy Pelosi says if Obama wins, he's a going to bring 75 new seats to the House for Democrats.
If all that happens, McCain's going to have no choice but than to work with the Democrats, because all presidents want to get things done.
And unfortunately today, you define getting things done by the number of bills you pass in a bipartisan way and how much you advance the liberal agenda. That's how getting things done is defined.

All presidents want to be thought of as,

"I got it done."
McCain's going to find it so easy to continue being maverick, just agree with the Democrats. He's going to practically have no choice, if these projections are right.
I don't see any problem for him holding onto the maverick status. It's this particular stage leading up to the convention, at the convention, and then on to the general election, that's where he's
-- in fact, let's go to sound bites. I got a couple sound bites.
Ron Reagan -- I'm not going to play the sound bite.
Ron Reagan was on Larry King Alive last night, and Larry King Alive is back to his old tricks, talking about people like me as wackos. He asks Ron Reagan what his dad's version of the wackos today might be. Ron Reagan gives his answer, but he does say,
"Look, if McCain starts naming cabinet members to mollify the right wing of his party, i.e., the base, a lot of independents are going to look at that and say, 'I don't want any part of this.'"
So Ron Reagan, thinking that he's agreeing with Larry King that I'm a wacko, is essentially agreeing with my secret plan to not endorse McCain because, were I to do that, I'd drive independents and liberals away from McCain just like Ron Reagan thinks a conservative cabinet or vice president would do the same thing.

Later on in the program, they brought in James Carville, and Larry King said,

"James, most of the time politicians win the nomination and they run to the center. Does McCain run to the center?"
Now Larry, I know you got a distinguished career, but McCain is already at the center, and he's got a tip-toe or two on the left.
Look at this. Everybody's talking about McCain's conservative rating, conservative voting record, lifetime voting record, and he touted as an 82 on conservative issues.
Well, Ann Coulter ran the math. His rating in 2006 was 65. Jon Kyl from Arizona in 2006 was 97. In the past ten years only four Republicans have had a lower conservative rating than McCain: Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and the maverick Arlen Specter.
But the past two, three years McCain has not been anywhere near the top of the ranking in conservative votes in the Senate. You have to go and take his whole Senate career and average it out to get that 80 number.
But the last ten years he hasn't been that. So he's at the center, Larry, anyway. Anyway, here's Carville's answer to this idiotic question.
CARVILLE: I don't know, 51% in Virginia is a pathetic number.
And I mean I don't say that as a Democrat. Virginia is typically a very orderly state.
I think the brief between McCain and the conservatives is real, and it's not just Washington or the radio talk show people. Those conservatives out in the hinterland don't much care for McCain and I suspect he doesn't much care for them either.

RUSH: Carville is on to something. He may be irritating now and then, but he's not stupid.
He knows it's not just conservative talk radio McCain has a problem with. There are people
-- he refers to them as the hinterland. I refer to it as the place where the people that make the country work live. But he's at least right about that.

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• TIME: Rush Limbaugh on Media, McCain & Conservatives - Jay Carney

• CNN: Limbaugh: I'm McCain's 'Most Valuable Asset'

• LA Times: Heading Starboard Could Sink McCain in California - George Skelton

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[TigersEye]

My son used to do that when he was a toddler, throw a tantrum and, when told to calm down, scream "NO, YOU CALM DOWN!!"

It's becoming clear he must have had a reason. LOL

[Yosemitest]

It's my bet, and I'll vote it like I choose.
McCain can go to the democrats, where he belongs.

[Twink]

The FDR (who sucked and we’re still paying for it, domestically) v. Carter analogy did it.

My Dad was Army Air Corps in WWII. Tons of uncles in other areas. Same with a couple of brothers, former military. One nephew was Marines, another Air Force. One is a Marine currently in Iraq another is in Afghanistan. Too long of a list to list, lol. None like or respect McCain, other than his military service but between what we have, he’d get the vote, I think.

An interesting tidbit: My junior had to write an essay and give an oral report/discuss a candidate, one of the four, today. I told her last night to pick McCain or Hillary because I could help her. she chose McCain and was one of 4 who did. the teacher kept saying BUT OTHER THAN THE war what can you positively say about him and why you chose him. So my kid says, well he says he’s pro life and we know hillary and obama aren’t. Teacher said that wasn’t really an answer. Another mentioned his conservative record (and I laughed and daughter didn’t understand). Teacher said but what makes you vote for him (like the War wasn’t enough or something). So my kid says, well he’s for stem cell research and the teacher seem pleased with that response, lol. And one kid chose Huckabee. One girl chose Hillary and spouted off about feminism things and how a female president would be a first here and how she’d fix all the wrongs done by men, blah blah blah. the teacher was intereste and kept asking questions. Most chose Obama. My kid said all they said about him was how he’d change things and how much we needed change. That healthcare would be fixed (but not HOW), that GW would be dealt with, and that we’d make peace with the world and try to understand other cultures and viewpoints. They said Obama was a motivator and could bring this country and world together. She said the Obama segment took up most of the class period since so many chose him. Then she says to me, so what does he stand for, support on the issues? Very telling imo. Even a junior in high school, after listening to her classmates reports, still has no idea what he stands for, other than change, and that he’s going to fix things and we’ll have world peace but no plans on how that’s going to happen.

[Twink]

I may have missed something but agree that your vote is your vote for whatever reasons dear to you.

I don’t think I insulted you or assumed anything but apologize if it came off that way. I was replying to Mr. Silverback, who I enjoyed a posting exchange with a few nights ago on this topic. Then, as now, was informative and thought provoking for me.

I’m not happy with our choices this election, on either side. Hell, I’m not happy with what’s going on in our country and those supposedly representing us and our Constitution.

[TigersEye]

No no, you didn’t insult me at all. I was using your post to elucidate my position to Mr. Silverback and anyone else following our exchange. Sorry to draw you into it that way. I agree with your points and respect your personal decision.

[roamer_1]

I stand by what I wrote, and I'm the last person to let either party off the hook for the condition of public schools.

Schools were but an example of the Republican's dishonor, complicity, or ineffectiveness. What you are experiencing is a vote of no confidence by the Conservatives. There will be no win until the moderates are out of power, and the Conservatives gain control.

I am sorry for your concern for the troops. I have no family over there currently, but I do have good friends in Iraq and Afghanistan, and family who could be called up as well. But there will be no "good" time for this event to occur- the WOT may stretch on for many years.

It is really of no consequence, as if the Globalist Republicans continue on their current course there will be no United States to defend. They are subverting our sovereignty, and are attempting to dilute our votes in an onslaught of illegal aliens.

There has been no relief from socialism, in fact it has increased. There has been no attempt to salvage our culture from the ravages of multiculturalism and moral relativism. Huge increases in bureaucracy and governmental spending have continued unabated.

It is my opinion that the single most dangerous threat to this nation comes not from without, but from within. It is the exponentially quickening slide into socialism caused by the Socialists' control of both sides of the aisle. If we wait much longer, there will be no reasonable chance of reversing the process.

Your ire is misplaced. It is the erring path of your party that has caused this nuclear option to be applied. In expressing yourself, please note that while you may convince a few to your cause, this decision that you see playing out is the aggregate decision of millions of independent individuals. You see but the tip of the iceberg in the outspoken Conservatives here and elsewhere.

There is no succor for the Republicans. This is a foregone conclusion. Without a Reagan Conservative, there will be no win.

[Twink]

I hadn’t read any of the other posts, just the one that caught my attention, Mr. Silverback’s and the FDR v. Carter comment.

I have read back now, some, and I wasn’t involved in that discussion or the public school thing. And for that all I can say is my kids attended and two still attend catholic grade school and two attend public high school and the two little ones will attend public high school. It doesn’t matter what either school teaches, outside of academics, because the foundations have been already set at home, imo. The catholic school has helped in raising out kids catholic but they’re a secondary factor.

I have two teens in public high school, excellent school and they’re honors/AP students and it will serve them well in college. And yes, some things they hear on the PA system or what they hear in their classes regarding abortion, homos, etc. doesn’t and shouldn’t have any impact on them since they’re not stupid. They and most of their classmates laugh at the gay historian of the day crap they hear over the PA system or Global Warming, or any other hot topic. Their school has that Silent Day thing for homos and my daughters tell me that 99% of the kids don’t follow it and even joke about those who do. They’re not buying what’s being sold.

Bottom line, imo, it’s ALL about the parents and it’s the parents responsibility to raise their kids. My teens come home and talk to me about what they learn in school, especially if it’s not what they’re learning at home. They always have and the younger ones in Catholic school do also.

However, I’m still not sure how public education became a part of the topic but I’m commenting on it, too. LOL. I put 2 kids through 9 years of catholic grade school and still have 2 to go. And, it’s expensive as hell! Parents are responsible for their kids and parenting isn’t always easy but to blame outside influences is a cop out imo. We all know how liberal public schools are but the home is the most important factor.

And as for using my post, I didn’t read the other posts prior to posting the first time so I didn’t know a discussion was ongoing. I wasn’t following the exchange just commenting on Mr. Silverback’s post, which I agreed with and replied to.

Maybe I should try reading the entire thread before posting, lol :) My posts would probably be more clear then.

[TigersEye]

Your post was quite clear. I had no problem with it. I actually wasn't a part of the school discussion. But I fully agree with your POV. If children are indoctrinated by the schools then the parents aren't doing what they ought to.

FWIW I'm not sure I would pick FDR over Carter. Carter was fairly ineffective in his four years. FDR did major damage in his twelve years not the least of which was stacking the Supreme Court and changing its makeup to this day through that influence. FDR ushered in full blown socialist programs which has established an acceptance of them as appropriate in our republic.

[Little_GTO]

Mr. Silverback, all that material and barely a comment. For a minute there I thought you were losing your touch. Then I looked at the other posts in the thread and see that your working on roamer_1.

Weren’t you a FredHead? I think your candidate was part of the problem too. Conservatives were divided, possibly intentionally.

One of the glaring problems with this election cycle is Campaign Finance Reform. The candidates that have the best chance are the well connected or the well healed. I'm not presenting this as an another excuse for Hunter not doing well, only another reason. With the present Campaign Finance Laws Ronald Reagan would have a tough time getting elected.

As for Hunter, I'm sure he'll land on his feet.

[Little_GTO]

For what it’s worth Mr. Silverback I agree with most of what roamer_1 says. My situation is similar to his. The schools are the big problem.

I have not decided what I will do in November. My vote will be very personal for many of roamer_1’s stated reasons.

Don’t argue with deeply held personal beliefs. This election will be difficult enough without you hounding someone about how much they did for their kids. We do the best we can with the hand we're dealt.

[snowrip]

Yes, let's ignore Obama's voting record too, then we can all live in the dream world where Obama is the conservative choice for President in 2008

Yes, let's do that, because that's exactly what I've written in every post where I criticize McCain. In fact, I have done nothing of the sort... ever.

We have arrived at, for lack of a better term, a crappy, crappy place here in America. With every illegal alien, tax scam, welfare expansion, defense cut, policy compromise, constitutional breach, social intrusion, trade giveaway and apology, we slide a little bit closer to full-blown socialism. Every time we elect a politician instead of a leader, we weaken our country. We have given both parties chance after chance to arrest the decline of our civilization... one group seems disintersted in, and the other openly hostile to, the future of America and Americans.For the democrats, we have a socialist and a communist running for the office of president. For the republicans, we have a man who embraces nearly every position as the two aforementioned buffoons.

As conservatives, we are particularly invested in the survival of our culture and our country. We see that voting the status quo has gotten our country nothing... nothing but broken promises. McCain is a status quo vote. It is true he has vowed to finish the Iraq conflict to the satisfaction of the United States; however, we have to see beyond that one facet in the war on terror. How is the future of America affected if win in Iraq, but pass a law giving voting rights to 65-140 million avowed Marxists with no respect for the law? How is the future of America affected if LOST or the SPP, both of which McCain supports, come to fruition? Moreover, how is the WOT affected if we treat terrorists as civilian criminals, granting them full legal protection under American law along with a free defense by the ACLU... as McCain advocates?

This is the impasse we find ourselves in. Do we vote for the lesser of two evils... again? Do we vote the establishment and get a wacko globalist... again? Do we vote for party ahead of country, when that party lies drunk with its own power, too weak and stupid to protect our country? That's what got us into the position we're in today. Do we hold our noses, compromise our values, and HOPE that McCain doesn't sell us even further down the river than we already are? Or, do we take a stand for something?

Our forefathers took a stand... against Britain, against Germany, against the Axis powers. Each time, things got worse before they got better. Each time, we as Americans had a difficult load to bear. Each time, we as a country had to sacrifice. We had to hunker down, and we had to keep our powder dry... sometimes metaphorically, and sometimes physically. Today we face enemies outside our country, but these are the enemies that are easiest to identify and to beat. The greatest danger to our future and our freedom lies within our own borders, in electing someone that will give away the things we have fought so hard to win and keep.

America needs a leader, not a politician. That leader will be a conservative, not a liberal, because true conservativism is the greatest protector of American values and American prosperity. Electing John McCain ensures the demise of the conservative movement as a political force... be it through public perception of his administration, through his embrace of liberal ideals, or through amnesty.

I believe that it is time to end the status quo in Washington, because the future of America is at stake.

I believe that our republican leaders no longer have the best interests of our country at heart.

I believe that the time for sacrifice has once again arrived, and I believe that a time for a political revolution, of sorts, is at hand. If that means allowing the country to see what happens when the liberals are in control, than THAT IS THE SACRIFICE WE MUST MAKE. It is always darkest before the dawn.

I was raised to take the right road, even if that road is the hardest, the longest, and the least easy to bear. I suspect that you were, too. Keep your powder dry.

[Almondjoy]

Of course he has every right to vote or not vote. Did I take out that position?

You can also make the choice to murder someone, steal from someone, donate to goodwill, park in handicap zone, give some change to homeless man.

No matter the act good or bad they all have consquences. Unfortuantely the people that don’t want to vote are the same people that will blame everyone else for the consquences.

[Almondjoy]

Nobody can save it.

If you know revelations then you should know that.

But I don’t think God intended us to help along the way by letting a true liberal get voted in.

You seem like the not my backyard type.

[Almondjoy]

Good luck with the other ways.. face it.. the movement is dead.

[Twink]

I agree FDR did major damage but Carter did major damage for our current world. Things were different during the FDR years. The Great Depression, WWII. It was different lifestyle and time for this country. Don’t get me wrong, I know FDR sucked domestically and his social programs sucked and we’re still paying for them and will continue to pay for them. But he was decent, far from perfect, in his foreign policy. And fortunately, we rectified that no term limit thing. Carter sucked completely so there’s no comparison, imo. He was the worst president in the 20th century imo.

I completely agree with you on FDR and the socialist programs we still suffer - my parents couldn’t stand him and never voted for him. He was decent on foreign policy, sucked domestically, but Carter sucked on both.

Thanks. I know our education system sucks but it’s all about the home imo. Parents need to parent their kids and no institution will trump that if it’s not allowed by the parents. Parents need to be parents imo and stop blaming everything else for the negatives and their own failings. College and grad school, the lib indoctrination centers, didn’t have any impact on me. And catholic and public school won’t have the most impact on my kids. If they do, then I failed as a parent.

I completely understand Mr. Silverback’s point. We can’t vote for hillary or obama because that isn’t fair to our military, they don’t deserve them as CIC. I don’t think they deserve McCain as CIC either but he is better than the other two. And we have to vote no matter what. I understand those who would vote 3rd party but I’m not sure I can. We know 3rd party won’t win, at least not now.

I still think obama or hillary will be POTUS because McCain won’t win, imo but it’s about how I vote right now, what I can deal with. So I understand if others think differently.

I don’t trust any of them running and I think it sucks that those are our choices. However, if it comes down to McCain v hillary or obama, I can’t vote for the other two and maybe I can vote for McCain. Not sure yet, but I know I’ll be voting.

[TigersEye]

I understand how you feel about it. I’ll be voting too.