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Fox Sports ^ | Feb 2, 08 | Jason Whitlock

Posted on 02/12/2008 5:37:53 PM PST by gobucks

If Roger Clemens is lying — which I tend to believe he is — then his major crime is being unable to imagine a life worth living without constant, pervasive fan adulation.

Seriously, if the guy isn't telling the truth, all he's really fighting for is the right to show up in any restaurant in America and get a table without waiting, a round of drinks on the house and some groupie telling him he's the greatest.

He's a crackhead, a celebrity addicted to human lips resting on the crack of his/her rear end.

And, as we know, crackheads do dumb stuff, like spend a week in the nation's capital whining and dining lying politicians, begging them to believe that the game's greatest pitcher took B-12 shots in the butt, not steroids.

No one, and I mean no one, lies more frequently and boldly than a crackhead in search of his next hit/kiss of the rear.

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To: gobucks

So a professional athlete did steroids? Nobody here cares. The government doesn’t care about that either. Nobody is being charged with a crime for using steroids.

This is a Congressional PR stunt for Waxman. The excuse is...altogether now...IT’S FOR THE CHILRUNS.


21 posted on 02/12/2008 6:24:05 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Always Right

“Game of Shadows” is gossipy? Whitlock misses big on this one.

Bonds and Clemens both did it for greatness in the game and to suggest otherwise is unintelligent. Whitlock misses a big point. Clemens has responded like an INNOCENT person should respond. He’s aggressively challenging the allegations. Bonds has never challenged what has been alleged against him this way. It is a big difference, in my opinion.


22 posted on 02/12/2008 6:30:55 PM PST by zebrahead
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To: BGHater
I know.

Stallone Charged with Importing Steroids Down Under

23 posted on 02/12/2008 6:34:02 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Always Right

He could be telling the truth, but for McNamee to lie AND have allegedly faked blood on gauze BUT to have told the truth about Pettite seems at very least odd.


24 posted on 02/12/2008 6:37:05 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: BGHater

And, of course, there’s no way Stallone used steroids and/or HGH...


25 posted on 02/12/2008 6:40:00 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Lokibob

“Guilty of what??? Human Growth Hormone is not against the law.”

And yet another clueless falsehood perpetuated by enablers. It is against the law to possess HGH without a legitimate prescription and the range of maladies warranting HGH is very limited. For an athlete like Rogers Clemens to have and use this stuff is indeed against the law, and you don’t know what you are talking about. And quit defending these cheaters.


26 posted on 02/12/2008 6:43:18 PM PST by raptor29
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“HGH and Steroids were allowed in MLB until a couple years ago.”

And you don’t know what you are talking about either. The possession and use of HGH and steroids has been against the law for decades, and by this, was/is a violation of the Uniform Player Contract that every player signs. A player is prohibited from using illegal drugs, it’s in the UPC and it’s in the Collectively bargained Basic Agreement between the Players and the Clubs. Baseball specifically banned steroids and HGH as part of a new testing plan in recent years, but possessing and using illegal drugs was always banned. And the players knew it, all along, and guys like Clemens knew they were violating those terms and those laws.


27 posted on 02/12/2008 6:48:11 PM PST by raptor29
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To: Huck

Roger is the school-yard bully, nothing more or less.


28 posted on 02/12/2008 6:50:20 PM PST by Oystir
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To: raptor29

Fair enough. But apparently when the Yankees thought about enforcing the terms of the UPC against Giambi, their attorneys told them to not even waste their money. Why do you suppose that is?


29 posted on 02/12/2008 6:53:57 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Radix
No problem. I actually think the contract holdout is another example of Clemens' all or nothing competitiveness. His thinking, I believe, is to play tough and hard and the hell with anyone who doesn't like it. That's why teammates say they hate him as an opponent but love him as a teammate. I'd love him as a teammate too. He goes all out to win all the time.

I went to Fenway Park once...it was a weekend series in 98. Saw the Sox host my Yankees on Sat and Sun. Had a fabulous time. Great time drinking in the local bars, talking baseball with the locals. Maybe the best baseball experience I ever had. I don't think I've been to a game since. Hard to believe it's been 10 years, but hey, you grow up, and see the players for what they are, and it loses its appeal.

30 posted on 02/12/2008 6:56:47 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
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To: gobucks

I’ve hated Clemens ever since game 6 of the 1986 World Series. He begged his way off the mound by claiming he had a blister — but the truth is that he was a coward and couldn’t take the pressure, and wanted someone else to carry the team to the end so that HE couldn’t be blamed if the Mets came back.

Since then, when he got on the juice, instead of cowardice he started exhibiting crazy steroid freakouts in big games — getting kicked out against the A’s, throwing the bat against the Mets, and even this yea with the Yankees — oh, that sore hamstring kept him out of the playoffs against the Indians.

It’s all a pattern with Clemens. And it’s got steroids written all over it.


31 posted on 02/12/2008 6:57:42 PM PST by WL-law
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To: Bruinator

Use of HGH without a prescription is illegal. There are very few valid reasons for an adult to have a script for HGH. It is not the fountain of youth as described by the MSM or dumb jocks - otherwise you or your close friends would likely be using it and it would be as common as Starbucks.


32 posted on 02/12/2008 6:57:58 PM PST by Oystir
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To: Eric Blair 2084

the punishment would violate a separate agreement from the drug law and would lead to a strike or problems within major league baseball. a few mill is not worth a few bill.


33 posted on 02/12/2008 7:02:15 PM PST by Oystir
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To: Anti-Bubba182

That’s pretty wild, the difference.

I wonder how many hat sizes the guy went through?


34 posted on 02/12/2008 7:06:17 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Always Right

Whether or not Clemens is lying may or may not be earthshaking in light of the probability that most of the overpaid drunks conducting the congressional hearings would not pass a drug test.

What locks MY jaws is having to watch these old athletes trying to stretch their careers, too vain or too stupid to quit while they’re still passable performers. One of the earliest ones for me was fabulous John Unitas. If he’d hung up his spikes when he was still pretty good he could have spent retirement in an undiminished glow; but he played too long until at the end of his career he was no longer really cutting the mustard. Then there is Clemens, and a lot more like him...possibly needing to use “boosters” in order to continue at a high level.

The latest example took place Saturday nite at Daytona at the Budweiser Shootout. Awesome Bill (Elliott) from Dawsonville plowed down along the upper wall and wedged his car there so that wreckers had to pull it loose, while preventing it from rolling down the steep banking which was there at that point in the track. I thought to myself, “For God’s sake, Bill, get a clue! You’re over the hill. Quit before you dodder around and hurt yourself or someone else! Of course, that’s just my humble opinion.


35 posted on 02/12/2008 7:06:19 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
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To: Pharmboy

this guy hits the nail on the head every single time...


36 posted on 02/12/2008 7:13:13 PM PST by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: zebrahead

An innocent man goes out the next day and sues for libel. Clemens didn’t do that.

Clemens is a cheater.

I feel sorry for the family of Roger Maris, and Hank Aaron, and his family.

These idiots cheated and broke records that were done through sheer skill and stamina.

See, that’s why we have rules. Greatness in art and in sport are defined by the voluntary limitations we place on ourselves, and the amazing things we end up doing despite those limitations.

You can’t airbrush a Degas, and you can’t use a bat in a boxing ring, because the point is not to win, but to prevail - despite our circumstances.

They should just go away. No hall of fame, and no records, and no baseball card signings. Just a guy who hacked the system a little, and pitchers that never came up through the system, and hitters that never got a call - all because the players and the FRICKIN’ UNION decided to look the other way and defecate on the game.

The Patriots may just get their day of glory too - perhaps in a court room, but also from the league. I think we saw what kind of genius was at work at the Super Bowl recently.


37 posted on 02/12/2008 7:17:33 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Boston didn't let Clemens go for nothing. Over the last two years he had lost it. Those two years he pitched just 500 ball. He was inconsistent with the strike zone for two years in a row. He was surely on the way out and Boston wanted to get something for the fading star before he got even worse. Then after leaving Boston he not only reverted back to the old Clemens we all know, he actually got better than ever. He also got bigger, bigger than a horse. He earned his first three Cy Young awards, and he can stick the other three up his cheating arse.
38 posted on 02/12/2008 7:41:38 PM PST by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
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To: Lokibob
"Guilty of what??? Human growth hormone is not against the law. Used every day for medical purposes."

Sure, when it's legitimately prescribed by an MD for a medical condition, which is not the case with Clemens. HGH is listed in the DEA as a controlled substance, and is scheduled, I believe, as a "III", (addictive and dangerous). Stop the cheaters and expunge their bogus records.

39 posted on 02/12/2008 7:45:50 PM PST by houstonman58 ("When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left on earth, think ye"?)
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To: gobucks

The country is going down the tube and people are getting their panties in a wad over happenings in baseball.It’s the “Bread and Circuses” Roman thing all over again.


40 posted on 02/12/2008 7:49:37 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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