Posted on 02/10/2008 2:42:27 PM PST by pissant
Senator McCain argues for immediate troop withdrawal from Somalia 1993.
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Man... hold on.
Who here on this site wasn’t against the whole going into Somalia in the first place? I was 7 so i don’t count. Lots of people were against this, including George “No nation building” W Bush.
I’m not supporting McCain here I’m just saying for the sake of this forum : Stick to logical arguments or just admit you all just hate everyone who isn’t Reagan.
If McCain was for Food and Water, they would be against it. LOL!
This needs a closer look.
It was a mistake to send the troops there in the first place, for a so-called “humanitarian mission.” The liberals twisted Bush I’s arm until he agreed to do it.
Then when clinton came in he expanded the mission but refused to supply the armor needed to protect our troops. The result was a disastrous humiliation.
If McCain said we should withdraw THEN, he was wrong. We were wrong to go there, but we were also wrong to pull out like defeated cowards. Famously, that inspired Osama bin Ladin to think that America was weak, thus leading to 9/11.
Well Reagan also withdrew from Lebanon after the attacks on our Marines.
McCain wants to pull our troops out of Somalia?
Good for him.
Even a blind pig will root up an acorn now and then.
Pull them out now.
McCain voted against sending troops to Lebanon in his first term as U.S. Rep. And although he supported the Gulf War Resolution, he voted against sending troops to drive Saddam's army out of Kuwait.
Quote from speech given by McCain in 1983:
"The fundamental question is: What is the United States’ interest in Lebanon? It is said we are there to keep the peace. I ask, what peace? It is said we are there to aid the government. I ask, what government? It is said we are there to stabilize the region. I ask, how can the U.S. presence stabilize the region?... The longer we stay in Lebanon, the harder it will be for us to leave. We will be trapped by the case we make for having our troops there in the first place.
What can we expect if we withdraw from Lebanon? The same as will happen if we stay. I acknowledge that the level of fighting will increase if we leave. I regretfully acknowledge that many innocent civilians will be hurt. But I firmly believe this will happen in any event."
Nice tag.
Wrong. He voted yea:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=101&session=2&vote=00258 http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=101&session=2&vote=00211
It was a mistake to go in. Your trying to paint McCain with Clinton’s mistakes are you? Don’t really care for either man but your argument should at least make sense. It would have better for our interests to stay in there until 2000 to stabilize the situation in that country? Why? Your down for going into Darfur I take it?
Stick to logical arguments or just admit you all just hate everyone who isn’t Reagan.
Attacking and/or baiting people isn't really a very good argument.
I was too. I am against all use of the military for foreign "humanitarian" operations where a conflict exists.
Another similar dark chapter that you might want to study is the ill fated Iranian hostage rescue mission. (http://iran.theatlantic.com/interactive_article_page_1.html)where Carter cut back the amount of equipment the military asked for resulting in a terrible disaster.
Lesson - give the guys what they ask for.
One can mark that as a major milestone in the rise of Al Queda--with the removal of the Shah of Iran by Jimmy Carter being the first. Serious profile in cowardice by Ronaldus Magnus--in great part thanks to Caspar Weinberger.
McCain wanted out of there because it was a waste of good men in an under supported mission that the country didn’t want. Is there anyone on this site who remembers thinking anything different? Okay sure plenty of us probably thought unleashing some serious air power will show those people but this whole mission was a humanitarian thing to make us look good.
Want to talk about the political situation today? The thing to attack McCain on would be where he was when Clinton gutted the armed forces and where he was when we went into Iraq undermanned.
Thanks that's correct. That is some of the relevancy.
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