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There's Nothing Conservative Or Principled About Helping A Democrat Beat John McCain In November
TownHall.com ^ | February 8, 2008 | John Hawkins

Posted on 02/08/2008 11:15:39 AM PST by 84rules

There is NOTHING conservative about working with the Democratic nominee against most of your fellow conservatives in order to grow government, socialize medicine, lose the war in Iraq, tilt the Supreme Court to the Left, and make Roe v. Wade the permanent law of the land. If you are conservative and vote for the Democratic nominee or even just refuse to vote for McCain, who is by any and every objective standard, considerably more conservative than either of them, let me tell you what you are NOT doing,

* You are NOT doing the logical thing. When faced with a choice between a moderate who holds some conservative positions and some non-conservative positions and a liberal who holds no conservative positions, the logical decision is to take the moderate. After all, half a loaf is better than none.

* You are NOT helping conservatism or your fellow conservatives. To the contrary, you are helping liberals defeat conservative ideas. Isn't that what conservatives are saying that they're furious at McCain over? Well, who's less of a conservative: John McCain, who, if he were in the White House, would help conservatives win some battles and would help liberals win others or the conservatives who want to help a Democrat get into the office who will go against conservative ideas every time?

* You are NOT looking out for the best interests of the country. If you believe winning in Iraq is better than losing, if you believe balancing the budget is better than higher deficit spending, if you believe that having a Supreme Court that is tilted to the right is better than having a Supreme Court tilted to the left, and if you believe that Roe v. Wade is leading to the immoral murder of millions of children -- and the overwhelming majority of people reading this column certainly believe all those things -- then you are certainly not putting the good of the country first if you oppose John McCain in November.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservative; coulter; elections; juanmccain; mccain; mcmexico; mcstain
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To: 84rules

John Hawkins has it just about right. I respect his opinion. Seeing Hillary or Obama as POTUS/CIC doesn’t serve our troops well at all.

Having said that, I’ll take a wait and see attitude for now. Nine months till the election is an eternity in politics.


21 posted on 02/08/2008 11:23:41 AM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Is he worse than the alternative would be?


22 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:04 AM PST by demecleze
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To: Poundstone

McCain will also onservatives in order to grow government, socialize medicine, tilt the Supreme Court to the Left, and make Roe v. Wade the permanent law of the land (by appointing leftwing judges)


23 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:11 AM PST by GeronL (or maybe I just read too much)
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By voting for McCain we would be giving the GOP and everybody else out there the notion that McCain and his policies are acceptable. If McCain now, how liberal will the next nominee be?


24 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:11 AM PST by Def Conservative (If we accept McCain now, just think of how liberal the next GOP nominee wil be..)
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To: Poundstone

“Time for all Freepers to rally around McCain and go on to victory in November.”

lol. Good one. Your first name isn’t Paula is it?


25 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:17 AM PST by CJ Wolf (To Join or leave the offical Ron Paul 'let freedom' Ping, Freepmail me.)
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To: 84rules

Good post, exactly so.


26 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:18 AM PST by jpf
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To: 84rules

No, it won’t change anything, at all, but neither would our support. The best we can do is concentrate on local and state elections.

Frankly, I think that it would be better to have a Democrat in the Whitehouse because then we might have a better chance of electing conservative Republicans to Congress.


27 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:24 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: 84rules
There is NOTHING conservative about working with the Democratic nominee against most of your fellow conservatives in order to grow government, socialize medicine, lose the war in Iraq, tilt the Supreme Court to the Left, and make Roe v. Wade the permanent law of the land.

And there's everything "conservative" about voting for a GOP nominee who would do the same? Oh and don't forget that McCain supports shamnesty as well.

What does McCain offer us? Nothing.

I was pretty angry about the 2006 election results, especially in the very close contests which cost us Congress, but in that sense, at least the old GOP Congress gave us some of what we wanted. McCain gives us nothing.

If the country is going to go to heck, might as well have a Democrat who does the driving. At least we can begin to make a comeback in the 2010 midterm elections and possibly take back the White House in 2012, presumably with a real conservative.

28 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:28 AM PST by pnh102
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To: demecleze

FIFY: “The lesser of two weavils.”


29 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:36 AM PST by Gulf War One
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To: Ingtar

Everyone needs to remember that the House and Senate have become even more important now.

Exactly. just what Rush said as well.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:41 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: 84rules
RE : “ or even just refuse to vote for McCain” AND “ faction of the GOP”

Mark Levin addressed this last night. John McCain made a career of being a maverick, reaching out to the democrats, going on liberal talk shows and attacking Republicans. So if we follow in his footsteps, become Mavericks and reach out to the other side, on election day, so he cant as president and head of Republican party where he would completely destroy what little remains.

Supporting McCain is for standing for nothing except POWER. That’s why all the establishment elected Republicans are falling in line. to cut their CUT.

31 posted on 02/08/2008 11:24:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: SoConPubbie

Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

McInsane is just that. No vote for you!


32 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:01 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: 84rules
Flame me if you like, but it won't change the current state of things.

You're right, it won't.

No.

33 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:06 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: Melinda
Many voters’ WHOLE loaf is illegal immigration. He can’t get the border shut no matter what he says with a Dem majority,...

And a lot of us conservatives don't believe a word of what he says about closing the border. McAmnesty is more than likely, if he gets elected, going to fall back on "The Democrats won't let me do it" excuse when it comes to fencing the border. That is his MO and his history.
34 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:15 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: 84rules

I’m calling BS on this.

If the Republican Establishment and certain publications cared about what conservatives thought, we would not be faced w/ this.

This is now their problem, not mine.


35 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:28 AM PST by sauropod (I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for John McCain)
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To: 84rules

I would suggest that John McCain think about naming his VP now. I think that who his VP is will probably determine whether I support him. Waiting until September to learn that is probably not a good strategy for him.


36 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:29 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: 84rules

Reading this

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=134078

made me come to the same relization. Your post reinforces it further.


37 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:42 AM PST by enough_idiocy (The Worst Republican (McCain) Is Still Better Than Any Democrat (Clinton or Obama))
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To: SoConPubbie

Consider how important for the conservative movement it would be if, say, Hillary won the popular vote by 200,000, and it could be shown that 500,000 more Republicans voted for senate/house races but . . . hmm, appeared to have left president blank? Seems to me that message would be pretty hard to miss next time around.


38 posted on 02/08/2008 11:25:59 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: 84rules

I don’t want to have to look a soldier in the eye and say “Yeah, I let Hillary (or Obama) become your commander in chief because McCain isn’t a perfect conservative.”

I just can’t see that.


39 posted on 02/08/2008 11:26:11 AM PST by Argus
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To: 84rules
Tell that to Republicans in California who watched a Republican Governor embrace massive spending, borrowing and Democrat Lite policies. I am not looking forward to that on the federal level in 2009. John Hawkins - the lesser of two evils is still evil. If I want liberal policies, let them come from a Democrat so I can in good conscience oppose them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 02/08/2008 11:26:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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