Super Trailer to Ben Stein's new movie, "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed"

Premise Media Corporation ^ | In Theaters Spring 2008 | Kevin Miller, Walt Ruloff, John Sullivan, Nathan Frankowski

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

...For most of my life, I believed the answers to these questions were fairly straightforward. Everything that exists is created by a Loving God. That includes rocks, trees, animals, people, really everything. All along I had been well aware that other people, very smart people, believe otherwise. Rather than God's handiwork, they see the universe as the product of random particle collisions and chemical reactions. And rather than regard humankind as carrying the spark of the divine, they believe we are nothing more than mud animated by lightning...

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[allmendream]

Naturalism (the empirical method) describes and explains natural phenomena. It produced and continues to produce the theoretic basis for the technological age we live in.

It is not the philosophy behind it, it is the looked for cause or active agent that is the critical difference.

Those who looked for supernatural agency to explain natural phenomena were left disappointed.

Those who looked for natural agency left behind detailed equations to describe the phenomena which they studied.

These Scientists were Christian men who thought the world an ordered and predictable place (as am I, and as do I); yet their equations did not attempt to include God as a factor in their equations.

Science does not deal well with the unmeasurable. God is infinite and cannot be measured or predicted (save for that he can be taken at his word).

[DelmarvaMike]

I’m looking forward to the movie. Bump for later viewing.

[metmom]

The other philosophy is that the universe is not perfectly ordered, and God needed to intercede to get the result HE wanted, ....

What other philosophy is that?

...and Science has no way of measuring or predicting this intercession.

Yet. But with that mentality, the discussion is over. You have decided that you have your answer. Since you have decided that it is not possible to find out or measure it, it leads to the mentality that we need look no further. It is an empty and soulless endeavor that has produced nothing and explains nothing.

Miracles are the realm of God, not the realm of Science.

Except that miracles happen, they intrude on the material, physical universe that we inhabit. Miracles are excluded from scientific research because they don't fit. What a wonderful way to learn more about our world, ignore what doesn't fit in your box. Again, shutting down inquiry because it doesn't fit in your world view.

[Alkhin]

I take what he says about how His time is not our time very literally...so evolution is no problem is where that is concerned. On top of that, the Bible is not a science document, and to use it to define what His timeframe is outlandish at best, disrespectful of the deeper and mystical meanings at worst.

[metmom]

Name something produced by science using anything other than the assumption that phenomena are regular and lawful over time.

That's not naturalism. Naturalism addresses the cause.

There's nothing in believing that God created everything that implies or states that physical phenomena are not regular and lawful over time. It was that belief that let Newton conclude that the universe was orderly and could be understood.

[metmom]

He probably used math. Naturalism addresses the cause not the method.

[js1138]

That's not naturalism. Naturalism addresses the cause.

You will not doubt be able to provide examples.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I understand what you mean.

I do not wish to exclude the idea of a Creator from the complexity of the world, unless there sufficient evidence to do that. I have not seen such evidence.

The ideas and theories behind the complexity and diversity in our world are certainly worth discussing, even if our conclusions don’t agree.

I don’t think I agree with you that these men “cannot perform their function as scientists”, though. And that is because our conclusions about the data are different.

Have a nice day!

[metmom]

From Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry:
nat·u·ral·ism

2: a theory denying that an event or object has a supernatural significance; specifically : the doctrine that scientific laws are adequate to account for all phenomena

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Your request makes no sense. Naturalism is a philosophical view about how the universe came into being.

[Elsie]

So who’s right?

He's very much like a ROPE!

No; he is like a snake!!

But he is so much like a tree!!!

[Elsie]

 

 On the contrary, it was Newton's belief in an orderly, powerful God that led him to conclude the universe could be understood, investigated, and explained in an orderly way.

 

And yet...

 

 

 

Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,—and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,—that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,—that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,—that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;—by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."

( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )

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Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."

( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )

 

 

 

 

NIV 1 Timothy 1:20-21

 20.  Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
 21.  which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.   Grace be with you.

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NIV Proverbs 4:13
   Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.

 

NIV Hebrews 3:6
   But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

 

NIV Hebrews 3:14
   We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.

 

NIV Hebrews 6:11
   We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.

 

 

NIV Hebrews 12:3
   Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

 

 

NIV 2 Timothy 2:11-13
 11.  Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;
 12.  if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
 13.  if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

 

NIV 2 Peter 2:20-21
 20.  If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
 21.  It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

 

 

 

NIV 2 John 1:8
  Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.

 

NIV Jude 1:21
   Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

 

NIV Revelation 2:25
   Only hold on to what you have until I come.

 

NIV Revelation 3:11
   I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

 On the contrary, it was Newton's belief in an orderly, powerful God that led him to conclude the universe could be understood, investigated, and explained in an orderly way.

[Elsie]

Scientists know what is science, and what is not science. Why can't creationists respect that and do their own thing in their own venues?

For the same reason that...

Religionists know what is religion, and what is not religion. Why can't Evolutionists respect that and do their own thing in their own venues?

[Elsie]

That's some real nice code you've got there!

So; which came first?

It or the CD-like player that reads it?

[Elsie]

They just form this blurr of burning stupidity.

And yet; you will take time to talk with us.

We are honored; thank you.

[MacDorcha]

Scientist of WHAT?

I can get a BS in accounting. That would make me a Scientists.

[MacDorcha]

Who limited it to science?

Oh, you? Ok.

If I must limit it to science, I would have to ask “How did life come about?”

The best way I could falsify that is to see if life can be created with engineering. If it requires engineering, then we have proof that life requires assitance to come into being. We would not have proof to the contrary though. But, as my hypothesis consists of proving God (not proving *no God*) then the burden of proof would be to you.

Prove that God is not required to make life.

[MacDorcha]

“ID is a philosophical idea.”

So is science.

[allmendream]

Cell and Molecular Biology.

[allmendream]

The other philosophy is I.D.; or as I call it Incompetent Design.

Miracles cannot be measured or predicted. That is why they are miraculous and we call them Miracles not ‘every day occurrences’. Show me a miracle that can be measured by Science and I am sure they will get right to work on it.

Miracles are excluded from Scientific research because we cannot get God to replicably perform them in the laboratory so that we may assess, measure and predict.

And I have no interest in shutting down the inquiry of the philosophy of I.D.; I just don’t think they should try to claim it is Science when it is not, or try to teach it to high school kids under the guise of Science in Science class.

[allmendream]

Boxes. Boxes.

I agree, Science is useful for what it does, but entirely inapplicable for most of the questions that plague mankind.

It is a ‘little box’ where only what can be seen or measured is allowed. There is a lot more to the universe than what can be seen or measured. Nobody yet has seen or measured a soul, but almost all mankind agrees we have one; and it is far more important than our temporary bodies and physical circumstances.

So why the effort to force the unseen unknowable and unmeasurable into our ‘little box’?

Can’t they leave us just this little place to pursue empiricism?