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To: nmh
Mormonism is not Christian.

Yes. [And let those who try to argue this point then simultaneously tell us that fundamentalist polygamist Mormons are also "Mormon"]

However the Bible does play into their beliefs. The Book or Moromon supercedes the Bible.

Yes & no. While the Bible is the lowest book on their doctrinal totem pole (and BTW, I'm referencing how each individual LDS looks at the Bible...that varies), the Book of Mormon has about 40 or so key tenets of their faith that's not found there. (That can be a surprise even to Mormons themselves...because their primary doctrinal book repeatedly claims that the Book of Mormon is "the fulness of the everlasting gospel" and it's the Book of Mormon that serves as the "front" for the LDS missionary to get someone to pray about. So, really the Book of Mormon actually plays into their beliefs much less than you would think...nothing in there about a "pre-existence" we had before this earth...about "families are forever"...about many gods...about God having a body of flesh & bones...about becoming a god...about God once being a man...being married for eternity...about 3 degrees of "glory"...about second-chances to accept the gospel post death...about baptizing dead folks...temple rituals...

I see MORE BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES in Mitt Romney...As a Christain, unlike Mike Huckabee, we believe prayer has power and that even MORMON, Mitt can turn around and be a Christian by label and REALLY MEAN IT. Mitt certainly LIVES Biblical Principles, now we want him to turn ONLY to the Bible.

How about these as key "Biblical Principles" we don't see in true believing Mormons:

(1) You can't become a god.

(2) Telling others they can just repeats the unTruth from the Serpent & Lucifer found in Genesis 3:5 & Isaiah 14:12-16

(3) You're not a literal "savior" of this world (their language not mine) 'cause you baptize dead folks by proxy

(4) Telling others that they have an "out" for spiritual procrastination ("Oh, you'll be offered a second chance at receiving the gospel after you die")

(5) Tithing to pay for the translation & worldwide distribution of the Pearl of Great Price LDS "scriptures" which says ALL Christian sects are "wrong" and their creeds are ALL an "abomination" in [God's] "sight" and ALL their professing believers "corrupt" [see Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-19]

(6) That you shouldn't directly pray to Jesus or worship Him as you would the Father

(7) That grace saves you only "after all you can do" (2 Nephi 25:23, Book of Mormon)

(8) That we need to focus heavily on the dead (billions of man-hours on geneologies & temple rituals related to the dead) that distract us from the living

None of those are "biblical" values

98 posted on 02/02/2008 10:42:57 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
It’s so easy to point out verses we don’t have in common and leave out the COMMON GROUND. No, I’m not impressed with you armature lesson in Mormonism.

When JFK became President we didn’t all convert to Catholicism. The same will be true if Mitt wins. We won’t be converting to Mormonism.

Get to know Mike: Some samples of Mike's lies: Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention Thursday, Jun 30, 2005 By Wesley Brown Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. "I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that what made this great country so great and so unique is that it has always been a place for people to run to - and not run from. "I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation. Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock. About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday. Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base. "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter. He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you." Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population." "This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force." During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking. The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships. House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.  http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html On crime and being tough on immigration (LOL) Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention Thursday, Jun 30, 2005 By Wesley Brown Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. "I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that what made this great country so great and so unique is that it has always been a place for people to run to - and not run from. "I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation. Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock. About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday. Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base. "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter. He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you." Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population." "This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force." During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking. The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships. House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.  http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html Mike Huckabee being touch on criminals (LOL) Web special: Dumond case revisited A reminder of Huckabee's role in his freedom Arkansas Staff Updated 9/1/2005 Editor's note, Sept. 1, 2005: Wayne Dumond, convicted of rape in Arkansas and murder in Missouri, died of apparent natural causes in prison Tuesday. The occasion prompts us to republish Murray Waas' prize-winning article for the Arkansas Times in 2002 about the extraordinary steps Gov. Mike Huckabee took to help win Dumond's freedom. He has since blamed others for Dumond's release to kill again, but his actions over many years demonstrated his support for Dumond and, ultimately, the instrumental role he played in the parole board's decision to free him. Special handling How the Huckabee administration worked to free rapist Wayne Dumond. By Murray S. Waas “I signed the [parole] papers because the governor wanted Dumond paroled. I was thinking the governor was working for the best interests of the state.” —Ermer Pondexter, ex-member of the board of pardons and paroles New sources, including an advisor to Gov. Mike Huckabee, have told the Arkansas Times that Huckabee and a senior member of his staff exerted behind-the-scenes influence to bring about the parole of rapist Wayne Dumond, who Missouri authorities say raped and killed a woman there shortly after his parole. Huckabee has denied a role in Dumond’s release, which has become an issue in his race for re-election against Democrat Jimmie Lou Fisher. Fisher says Huckabee’s advocacy of Dumond’s freedom, plus other acts of executive clemency, exhibit poor judgment. In response, Huckabee has shifted responsibility for Dumond’s release to others, claiming former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker made Dumond eligible for parole and saying the Post Prison Transfer Board made the decision on its own to free Dumond. More here: http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419 It’s not at all like the Huckster is spinning. He lies like a rug. This is from his OWN home town newspaper. Defend MIKE or McCAIN as "Christian" or "conservative" for that matter. Good luck! Continue to be the blind bigot you are comforatable being. What we'll do as Bible based Christians, is pray for Mitt, whether he wins or not to become a Bible based Christian. We believe in the power of prayer. I find it very hypocritical that you don’t point out the unchristian stances that both McCain and Huckabee stand on that are unchristian and they CLAIM to be “Christian”. I can easily point to verses in the Bible that totally discredit BOTH of them. So we vote for the best candidate that espouses Biblical Principles in politics and that candidate is Mitt Romney.

115 posted on 02/02/2008 11:23:12 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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