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To: Colofornian
It’s so easy to point out verses we don’t have in common and leave out the COMMON GROUND. No, I’m not impressed with you armature lesson in Mormonism.

When JFK became President we didn’t all convert to Catholicism. The same will be true if Mitt wins. We won’t be converting to Mormonism.

Get to know Mike: Some samples of Mike's lies: Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention Thursday, Jun 30, 2005 By Wesley Brown Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. "I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that what made this great country so great and so unique is that it has always been a place for people to run to - and not run from. "I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation. Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock. About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday. Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base. "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter. He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you." Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population." "This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force." During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking. The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships. House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.  http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html On crime and being tough on immigration (LOL) Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention Thursday, Jun 30, 2005 By Wesley Brown Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," Huckabee said, citing the Golden Rule. "I have tried to govern that way and it stands to reason that I really do believe that what made this great country so great and so unique is that it has always been a place for people to run to - and not run from. "I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation. Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock. About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday. Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base. "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter. He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you." Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population." "This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force." During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking. The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships. House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.  http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html Mike Huckabee being touch on criminals (LOL) Web special: Dumond case revisited A reminder of Huckabee's role in his freedom Arkansas Staff Updated 9/1/2005 Editor's note, Sept. 1, 2005: Wayne Dumond, convicted of rape in Arkansas and murder in Missouri, died of apparent natural causes in prison Tuesday. The occasion prompts us to republish Murray Waas' prize-winning article for the Arkansas Times in 2002 about the extraordinary steps Gov. Mike Huckabee took to help win Dumond's freedom. He has since blamed others for Dumond's release to kill again, but his actions over many years demonstrated his support for Dumond and, ultimately, the instrumental role he played in the parole board's decision to free him. Special handling How the Huckabee administration worked to free rapist Wayne Dumond. By Murray S. Waas “I signed the [parole] papers because the governor wanted Dumond paroled. I was thinking the governor was working for the best interests of the state.” —Ermer Pondexter, ex-member of the board of pardons and paroles New sources, including an advisor to Gov. Mike Huckabee, have told the Arkansas Times that Huckabee and a senior member of his staff exerted behind-the-scenes influence to bring about the parole of rapist Wayne Dumond, who Missouri authorities say raped and killed a woman there shortly after his parole. Huckabee has denied a role in Dumond’s release, which has become an issue in his race for re-election against Democrat Jimmie Lou Fisher. Fisher says Huckabee’s advocacy of Dumond’s freedom, plus other acts of executive clemency, exhibit poor judgment. In response, Huckabee has shifted responsibility for Dumond’s release to others, claiming former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker made Dumond eligible for parole and saying the Post Prison Transfer Board made the decision on its own to free Dumond. More here: http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419 It’s not at all like the Huckster is spinning. He lies like a rug. This is from his OWN home town newspaper. Defend MIKE or McCAIN as "Christian" or "conservative" for that matter. Good luck! Continue to be the blind bigot you are comforatable being. What we'll do as Bible based Christians, is pray for Mitt, whether he wins or not to become a Bible based Christian. We believe in the power of prayer. I find it very hypocritical that you don’t point out the unchristian stances that both McCain and Huckabee stand on that are unchristian and they CLAIM to be “Christian”. I can easily point to verses in the Bible that totally discredit BOTH of them. So we vote for the best candidate that espouses Biblical Principles in politics and that candidate is Mitt Romney.

115 posted on 02/02/2008 11:23:12 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: nmh
Well, believe it or not, I read most of your post #115. First of all, to accuse someone of lying & deception, you've gotta have more than just surface info. You said:

Get to know Mike: Some samples of Mike's lies:...the Huckster is spinning. He lies like a rug.

But the immigration example you gave me along with the Dumond case (or at least the specifics you gave me) only shows that Huckabee was mistaken--badly mistaken. On what grounds do you accuse him of outright lying?

Defend MIKE or McCAIN as "Christian" or "conservative" for that matter. Good luck! Continue to be the blind bigot you are comforatable being.

I simply mention factual info like their church affiliation & that's "defending" them? (Like many FReepers who support Hunter or Thompson, we're all in a less-than-ideal situation here)

I find it very hypocritical that you don’t point out the unchristian stances that both McCain and Huckabee stand on that are unchristian and they CLAIM to be “Christian”.

OK. Well, again, let's look at the two things you chose to focus on that identifies these guys as taking "unchristian stances." You pointed out the Arkansas Dumond case. Question: Is Huckabee defending what he did there? Is this a "stance" of his--that he's defending that action? (don't think so)

So then we're back to immigration and illegal immigration. The article you cited--well, most of Huckabee's comments were so broad that they could be interpreted as referencing legal immigration. But obviously, none of us are dufuses. You can't be speaking to Hispanic civil rights workers without knowing their agenda includes illegal immigration status. So why we both just agree to slam Huck on that. Let's just agree that he's been on the wrong side of the illegal immigration debate in his Arkansas years. (There, wasn't that easy?)

But now it's up to you to prove 2 things: (1) It's up to you to prove to me that even his previous stances (which, BTW, have improved since then) are "unbiblical" and "unChristian." (Your words). We both agree illegal immigration is bad for the U.S. (you don't need to prove that). Just prove to me where it says that in the Bible. Secondly, show me where anybody's stance on a position like illegal immigration moves them into the "unChristian" camp. (So a bad social issues policy means God has kicked them out of Christ's camp?)

121 posted on 02/02/2008 11:44:49 AM PST by Colofornian
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