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To: untrained skeptic
If you refuse to sign the ticket you will be arrested and taken into custody in every state.

Ummm I believe this is incorrect. As a matter of fact, in Utah it is NOT a crime to not sign a ticket. I think you need to check your facts a little better before you broadbrush this and stand up for a cop that needs to be removed from the police force.

Signing a in Utah citation but then failing to show up in court is a class B misdemeanor.

Depending on the STATE and LOCAL ordinances in those states, an officer MAY take you into custody if you refuse to sign a citation. However, MOST officers are more reasonable than this guy appears to have been.

Signing a ticket/citation only acknowledges your promise to show up in court. In nearly ALL cases, there is not 'crime' committed, but rather an 'infraction' of the driving rules, and in almost NO case (except extreme safety issues, say ramming other vehicles or something) are you going to be taken into custody. Most cops would simply drop the ticket into the window and walk away.
36 posted on 02/01/2008 8:19:40 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

“Most cops would simply drop the ticket into the window and walk away.”

I was a peace officer in TX for 30 years, i’ve known and met hundreds of peace officers, over that time. I know of none that would do that. Failure to sign a citation is an arrestable offence.


41 posted on 02/01/2008 8:27:54 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Ummm I believe this is incorrect. As a matter of fact, in Utah it is NOT a crime to not sign a ticket.

Someone else has also commented on that. You apparently can be arrested for refusing to sign a ticket, but it rarely happens.

I think you need to check your facts a little better before you broadbrush this and stand up for a cop that needs to be removed from the police force.

The officer may not have been obligated by the law to have the driver leave his car, but it was not unreasonable nor unlawful for him to have done so.

Depending on the STATE and LOCAL ordinances in those states, an officer MAY take you into custody if you refuse to sign a citation. However, MOST officers are more reasonable than this guy appears to have been.

The officer was being FAR more reasonable than the driver, and it wasn't unreasonable for the officer to order the suspect out of the car and pat him down for weapons.

In nearly ALL cases, there is not 'crime' committed, but rather an 'infraction' of the driving rules, and in almost NO case (except extreme safety issues, say ramming other vehicles or something) are you going to be taken into custody. Most cops would simply drop the ticket into the window and walk away.

You are completely entitled to your opinion of what most officers would have done when dealing with this unreasonable driver.

The officer did a good job or remaining polite when dealing with an unreasonable suspect. The officer's actions may not be perfectly inline with what YOU think he should have done in perfect hindsight. However, none of the officers actions were unreasonable.

62 posted on 02/01/2008 9:47:36 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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