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To: untrained skeptic
If you refuse to sign the ticket you will be arrested and taken into custody in every state.

Why do you take such a long time to write SO MANY incorrect things?? I stopped counting at 10. This statement is probably the most obviously false. While true, that a person CAN legally be arrested for not signing the ticket.. a signature is NOT required... even in Utah. Arrest for refusal to sign is not common in Utah.

Both the driver and officer handled this incident poorly. But, it was the officer who did NOT follow the law, as written, in this state. Gardner breezed through the departmental review... he's probably a little more worried about this one.... at least, he should be.

26 posted on 02/01/2008 7:48:27 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I could be wrong about not signing the ticket getting you arrested in Utah. It is however justification for the officer to order the suspect out of the car and perform a terry stop.

You can't just ignore the lawful orders of a police officer.

So I may have gotten a detail that wasn't particularly germane wrong.

What else do you think I got wrong.

Both the driver and officer handled this incident poorly.

How exactly did the officer handle the situation poorly?

He was polite. He explained the situation. He made absolutely no unreasonable requests of the driver.

The driver just kept arguing and refusing to comply with the officer's lawful orders. For some reason some people have this idiotic idea that they can just do whatever they want in such a situation other than directly attack the officer, and that they shouldn't face any consequences for doing so.

It is ridicules to expect for an officer to have to grapple a suspect into submission, especially where there is another suspect in the area, and the officer hasn't even checked for weapons.

But, it was the officer who did NOT follow the law, as written, in this state.

In what way? Spell it out for me.

31 posted on 02/01/2008 8:03:42 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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