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5-year-old boy handcuffed in school, taken to hospital for misbehaving
New York Daily News ^ | January 25th 2008 | CARRIE MELAGO

Posted on 01/25/2008 5:28:47 AM PST by fweingart

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To: Surtur

The parent was on the way, but sent the babysitter (who was closer) as her agent. They had not called the mother until after handcuffing the kid and deciding to send him off to the psych ward. The babysitter regularly picked up the child and yet they wouldn’t release the kid to the babysitter or wait for the parent to take custody....yet the kid was not dangerous enough to leave handcuffed on the way to the psych ward. It doesn’t add up.

Plus, see 105.


221 posted on 01/25/2008 1:53:12 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: r9etb
Some of her students' parents are truly awful ... to the point where you begin to wonder if it's not better for the kid to for the gov't to take them away and put 'em someplace safe.

And there are legitimate legal procedures in place for such things, to provide citizens protection from arbitrary State power and abuse.

But at the muzzle of a gun, we are forced to pay taxes to support a school system that can arbitrarily decide by fiat that a kid needs to go to the psych ward over the parent? Yikes...what a system. Have FReepers gone so far left as to really support such an idea?

222 posted on 01/25/2008 1:56:22 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: rmh47

I’ll chip in my big money too...


223 posted on 01/25/2008 1:58:46 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Gondring
The mother was willing to take the child home and they refused to let her have her own child. So, you’re perfectly fine with the State withholding the child from his parent?

Sorry, but logic doesn’t back up your support for the police state. Your claim that the problem here is that the authorities are handcuffed doesn’t hold water when they refused the request—it showed that they CHOSE to keep the child.

The did not choose to KEEP the child -- they did a sensible thing --rather than sending back to a home where it appears he was not getting proper discipline, they sent to a psycho ward to see if he was dangerous, and should be kicked the hell out of school before he hurt or killed someone -- then they would get sued for damned sure.

224 posted on 01/25/2008 2:05:13 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I missed the part about following an appropriate procedure to obtain an evaluation from the psych ward.

Or, the part about “we didn’t have the chance to do so, because this was the first time this happened.”

Or, the kid was so dangerous, we had to keep him in handcuffs.


225 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:16 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: ontap
If you don’t have written approval from the parent to administer corporal punishment that will get you sued.

Yeah -- and that is a helluva big part of the problem.

226 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:23 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: AmericaUnited

No — just the sign of a brat that needs a good butt-bustin’.


227 posted on 01/25/2008 2:11:24 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Alberta's Child
Getting the police involved now makes this kid a law enforcement problem instead of a school problem -- and for many students, that's exactly the way it should be.

They got law enforcement involved?

228 posted on 01/25/2008 2:13:59 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
BOO HOO HOO!

*barf*

229 posted on 01/25/2008 2:14:12 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Gondring

Yep,
Me ADD,
Sibling & Father Ring of Fire ADHD.


230 posted on 01/25/2008 2:18:31 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: SwankyC
I would think he woulda done all his talking with his fists.

I believe the fadda probably did his walking with his feet.

231 posted on 01/25/2008 2:23:27 PM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: TankerKC
It never occurred to me that it might be post #1.

Read it again. You probably missed something.

232 posted on 01/25/2008 2:25:22 PM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: Gondring
But at the muzzle of a gun, we are forced to pay taxes to support a school system that can arbitrarily decide by fiat that a kid needs to go to the psych ward over the parent? Yikes...what a system. Have FReepers gone so far left as to really support such an idea?

Considering that this is quite an unusual case, and seeing as how there are, as you say, "legitimate legal procedures in place," I'd say that you've engaged in a bit of hyperbolic excess with this comment.

The folks at this school may well have screwed the pooch. Or not: as is apparently ALWAYS the case with stories like this, the real facts are probably not being reported.

233 posted on 01/25/2008 2:25:52 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Turret Gunner A20
No — just the sign of a brat that needs a good butt-bustin’.

Will you just shut up about the beatings? We got your point the first time -- and it was idiotic then, too.

234 posted on 01/25/2008 2:27:06 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Surtur

by requiring a psychological evaluation.

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Would a private school be able to haul a child off to a hospital (in handcuffs) for a psychological evaluation?

I doubt it!

So?....If a private principal could not do this, then why should a government employee of a government school?

Government schools should be held to the same standards of behavior as those in the private sector.

Solution: Abolish government schools. Privatize universal K-12 education.


235 posted on 01/25/2008 2:39:59 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: tioga
... however HANDCUFFS? are they nuts?

Question: If you were a police officer with a pair of handcuffs, and you knew that it you grabbed hold of the brat, you might accidentally break one of his fingers, or make him cry and "traumaitze" him (whatever the hell that mens), what would you do? -- handcuff the snot or take a chance on getting sued or fired, and let his angry mommy ruin your life for you?

236 posted on 01/25/2008 2:47:08 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Gondring
But at the muzzle of a gun, we are forced to pay taxes to support a school system that can arbitrarily decide by fiat that a kid needs to go to the psych ward over the parent? Yikes...what a system. Have FReepers gone so far left as to really support such an idea?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly!

I doubt that a private school could get away with treating a child like this.

Solution: Get rid of the government schools. We need a completely private system of K-12 education.

237 posted on 01/25/2008 2:47:38 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
A spokeswoman for the city Education Department declined to comment on why school safety agents needed to handcuff Dennis, saying the incident was under investigation.

The NYPD, which oversees school safety agents, also declined to discuss specifics. Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne said, "We hope common sense would prevail and we are looking at what happened."

Twas NOT a cop that handcuffed this child and from the article I see they have not expressed support of the action. Seems to me there are methods of handling a five year old kindergartener short of handcuffs and the padded wagon.

238 posted on 01/25/2008 2:53:01 PM PST by tioga (Beware: conservative with back to the wall. Proceed with extreme caution.)
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To: Gondring

you people seem to be missing a lot of thing — mainly, what do YOU do with a brat on a rampage in a school full of toddlers — and you know damned well tht if you lay a finger on the little angel, his parents will sue you butt off????


239 posted on 01/25/2008 2:55:59 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: wintertime
I doubt that a private school could get away with treating a child like this.

You cn bet on it -- they'd toss his little butt out and tell his parents to go somewhere else.

240 posted on 01/25/2008 2:57:45 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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