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Peggy Noonan: Breaking Up Is Hard to Do
The Wall Street Journal ^ | January 25, 2008 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/25/2008 12:49:01 AM PST by Aristotelian

Declarations: The primary campaign is tearing the Democrats apart. President Bush already did that to the Republicans.

We begin, as one always must now, again, with Bill Clinton. The past week he has traveled South Carolina, leaving discord in his wake. Barack Obama, that "fairytale," is low, sneaky. "He put out a hit job on me." The press is cruelly carrying Mr. Obama's counter-jabs. "You live for it."

(snip)

As for the Republicans, their slow civil war continues. . . . The rage is due to many things. A world is ending, the old world of conservative meaning, and ascendancy. Loss leads to resentment. (See Clinton, Bill.)

(snip)

It will all come down to: Whom do Republicans believe? Mr. Romney in spite of his past and now-disavowed liberal positions? Or Mr. McCain in spite of his forays, the past 10 years, into a kind of establishment mindset that has suggested that The Establishment Knows Best?

Do conservatives take inspiration from Mr. Romney's newness? Or do they take comfort and security from Mr. McCain's rugged ability to endure, and to remind?

It is along those lines the big decision will be made.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I think it is rather a strategic tactic. The case involves the District of Columbia, governed by the U.S.A., and an individual challenging a firearms ban.

Rather than asking the SC to decide in favor of DC, or an individual in a narrow sense, the DOJ is asking for a broad decision with national scope.

Since it is the first 2nd amendment case in 60 years, lets get a broad and longlasting decision.

yitbos

41 posted on 01/25/2008 2:00:42 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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To: mkjessup
Well Wolf, you sure let your animus for Ronald Reagan slip out there pal. Thanks for putting that on display for us. DoughtyOne however, took you to the woodshed good and proper, not that it’ll sink into your skull, but nice job D.O.

(yawn) Yeah, all those swears really whupped the facts.

I do have problems with Reagan's choices for SCOTUS--YOU DON'T have trouble with O'Connor?

I do condemn Reagan's an Amnesty--YOU DON'T?

I do have a problem with Iran-Contra, though it wasn't what many portray it as--YOU DON'T?

Oh, wait--you prefer swears to actual discussion. Sorry to bother you with reality.

42 posted on 01/25/2008 2:01:41 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377

I’ll side with Reagan’s positive accomplishments, you stack ‘em up against GWB’s record to this point, and we’ll see how history rates the two of them, how’s that?

As Reagan might say, “we’ll accept responsibility for mistakes or errors, if they’ll just give us credit for what we did right.”

It wasn’t long after Reagan left office that the Soviet Union folded up like a cheap lawn chair, and the threat of global communism breathed it’s last.

You think the same thing is going to happen regarding the threat of Islamofascism after Bush leaves office?


43 posted on 01/25/2008 2:07:00 AM PST by mkjessup (GOP + FOX + National Review = The NEW "Axis of RINOs")
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To: DoughtyOne
At least I wouldn't have to pull my head out of my a-- to suck it, if I was so inclined.

Wow, I can't argue against such a stunning debating point--taking your head out of your ass to suck it... You think about some weird things, dude.

44 posted on 01/25/2008 2:07:25 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: mkjessup
You think the same thing is going to happen regarding the threat of Islamofascism after Bush leaves office?

You think there's any comparison?

The fall of communism was Reagan's greatest achievement--and it wasn't just his. Decades of American soldiers on the wall made that happen.

Reagan delivered the killing blow. Bush delivered the first.

There's simply no comparison, and the desperation to try to make one shows a lack of understanding of the conflict, one Reagan would never make.

45 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:22 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: mkjessup

“You think the same thing is going to happen regarding the threat of Islamofascism after Bush leaves office?”

Yes, I think we’ll win eventually. What, you think we’re going to lose?


46 posted on 01/25/2008 2:11:11 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Darkwolf377
You slandered the memory of Ronald Reagan to make a point and I called you on it.

Your pathetic whining didn't "call me" on anything.

Lie number one.

This a quote.

It's so trendy to bash Bush that we forget many of the sins perpetrated by the genuinely great Ronald Reagan, which we so conveniently forget. <>I didn't slander Reagan,

Lie number two.

I merely pointed to things he did I consider sins, such as signing an amnesty.

That amnesty covered all the illegal immigrants that had come across the border in thirty years.  It was estimated to be one million people.  That means about 33,000 illegals had been coming over per year and Reagan wanted it stopped.  As a part of that bill a number of measures were passed to secure the border, fine employers who hired illegals, and other measures to end the problem.

Ronald Reagan wasn't around to enforce the laws.  George Bush the first, Bill Clinton and George Bush the second failed to enforce the new laws.  Blaming Reagan for doing the wrong thing displays a level of ignorance that is beyond description.  During the Bush years we have had anywhere from 1.5 milliont to 3.5 million illegals coming across.  That is about a decades worth, even with laws on the books to prevent it from happening.

George Bush was around to stop it.  Under him the presence of illegal immigrants has risen from 10 million to anywhere from 22.5 to 35 million.

You can consider Reagan's actions a sin if you like, but he did what he could to prevent what was allowed to happen under two Bushes and a Clinton.

It wasn't his sin was it.

Lie number three.

If you could stop with your idiotic whining and point out the "slanders"--and please, first look that word up, because you obviously have no idea what it means--you might have a point.

Oh bite me.  If you're having a hard time keeping up, get some help.

But you can't.

Lie number four.

You obviously know nothing about Reagan, and only know him as a caricature, and not the real, flesh-and-blood man who created a revolution (and whom I call the best president of my lifetime--funny how you just ignore that).

Don't give me that crap.

...we forget many of the sins perpetrated by the genuinely great Ronald Reagan...

Hey, I said he was the best...

Nice try at a CYA moment.  F-

Adults can criticize those they love. Children, such as yourself, can only deal in factoids, not facts, and whine, and swear, and take a tantrum when those they see as 2-dimensional fantasies are sullied by the facts.

This is one guy you'll have to deal with when you start trying to disemble Ronald Reagan.  If you're not smart enough to avoid doing it, youl'll get your ass handed to you every time.
Go away, child, you bother me with your lack of intelligence.

This is a person who knows more about Reagan than you do, so who's what does that make you?

47 posted on 01/25/2008 2:12:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Darkwolf377

Said the man with his head firmly implanted.


48 posted on 01/25/2008 2:13:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Truthsearcher

Mark me down any way you like, I won’t be voting for a democrat this fall running from either party. And you will.


49 posted on 01/25/2008 2:16:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Truthsearcher
A lot of the leftist on the court have stubbornly refused to retire because the wanted to out wait Bush. The moment Hillary is in they will retire.

And Clarence Thomas will have a fatal automobile accident, and Chief Justice Roberts will be tragically shot to death, an unlucky bystander in a two-bit liquor store robbery gone bad.

50 posted on 01/25/2008 2:16:47 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Do you have a point or do you just enjoy posting incoherent non sequiturs?


51 posted on 01/25/2008 2:20:22 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: DoughtyOne
How can you get through the day with so little brain power?

Your entire "argument" is based on my saying Reagan committed a sin.

I guess you're saying Reagan never committed sins?

Now, where did I get the idea that you idolized him?

"Lie number two. I merely pointed to things he did I consider sins, such as signing an amnesty."

You don't even know what a lie is, do you?

Ronald Reagan wasn't around to enforce the laws.

LOL! Oh, it's not HIS fault, he just signed an amnesty! LOL

You are a joke. I refer anyone to your previous rambling post which foists your childish "bite me" level wit in place of reality.

This is one guy you'll have to deal with when you start trying to disemble Ronald Reagan. If you're not smart enough to avoid doing it, youl'll get your ass handed to you every time.

When are you going to start?

You have no facts--you merely ASSERT. Then when something Reagan did is pointed out you whine "It wasn't his fault, he just made it into law!"

You just keep repeating the same silliness of people who don't read about Reagan anywhere but on the internet, who can't understand how one can point out (here it comes, get ready) SINS of someone they admire, and still consider that person the best of their kind.

You have a curious need to spout silliness as if you're afraid of not being seen as in total support of the man. Hmmmm...curious.

For someone who claims to know about Reagan you have a curious lack of understanding of his presidency. You can worship him as a perfect person, but I doubt he'd appreciate such unthinking idolatry.

52 posted on 01/25/2008 2:20:48 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: DoughtyOne

Said the fool who knows nothing of Reagan.


53 posted on 01/25/2008 2:21:21 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist)
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To: bruinbirdman
I think the federal government was not a part of this SC appeal?

Huh? If they took the case, then of course their ruling will bind all 50 States, not just the District.

The Administration filed IMHO precisely because the District is a federal entity.

The brief defends all federal laws across the board. It's a wall-to-wall, all-or-nothing defense. "All our federal laws are good." Interesting posture, and not unexpected from a Solicitor General.

One could wish that the Administration had left the case in the hands of the D.C. attorney.

Of course, I disagree with many parts of the Solicitor General's brief, which would countenance the complete confiscation of all firearms within the borders of the United States.

54 posted on 01/25/2008 2:23:32 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Darkwolf377
You don’t belong on this forum.

You disagreed with Iran Contra.

You blame Reagan for granting an amnesty to 1/25th, to 1/35th of the people we have in country today, as part of a bill to make new policies that should have ended illegal immigration.

Those laws were never enforced, but those who didn’t enforce them are assigned no blame by you.

You don’t think Reagan was responsible for bringing down the Soviet Union.

You are sure a great fan of Reagan, aren’t you.

As I said to begin with, you sound like a guy from DU, KOS or MoveOn.org. Why don’t you go over to one of them. You’ll be considered quite intellectual and become very popular.

55 posted on 01/25/2008 2:24:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Aristotelian
Another non-conservative GOPer would be disastrous.

That's all we've got left.

56 posted on 01/25/2008 2:25:04 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: DoughtyOne

You bet I’ll be voting this fall, I am actually perceptive enough to detect the varying gradients of how much a person agrees with me and vote accordingly.

I guess this is impossible for someone like you for whom the world is only made of those who think exactly like you and everyone else.


57 posted on 01/25/2008 2:27:55 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
False dichotomy. Please try again.

And please demonstrate my non-sequitur when you do.

58 posted on 01/25/2008 2:32:00 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Truthsearcher
“You think the same thing is going to happen regarding the threat of Islamofascism after Bush leaves office?”
Yes, I think we’ll win eventually. What, you think we’re going to lose?


The war is still up for grabs, and our illustrious Commander-in-Chief has fought this war with one hand tied behind our back, while embracing that absurd and obscene 'Islam is a religion of peace' mantra.

America might still win the war, but it's going to go on much longer than it had to.
59 posted on 01/25/2008 2:33:30 AM PST by mkjessup (GOP + FOX + National Review = The NEW "Axis of RINOs")
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To: DoughtyOne; All
BRAVO

Well said, and well done.
60 posted on 01/25/2008 2:35:56 AM PST by mkjessup (GOP + FOX + National Review = The NEW "Axis of RINOs")
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