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Peggy Noonan: Breaking Up Is Hard to Do
The Wall Street Journal ^ | January 25, 2008 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/25/2008 12:49:01 AM PST by Aristotelian

Declarations: The primary campaign is tearing the Democrats apart. President Bush already did that to the Republicans.

We begin, as one always must now, again, with Bill Clinton. The past week he has traveled South Carolina, leaving discord in his wake. Barack Obama, that "fairytale," is low, sneaky. "He put out a hit job on me." The press is cruelly carrying Mr. Obama's counter-jabs. "You live for it."

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As for the Republicans, their slow civil war continues. . . . The rage is due to many things. A world is ending, the old world of conservative meaning, and ascendancy. Loss leads to resentment. (See Clinton, Bill.)

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It will all come down to: Whom do Republicans believe? Mr. Romney in spite of his past and now-disavowed liberal positions? Or Mr. McCain in spite of his forays, the past 10 years, into a kind of establishment mindset that has suggested that The Establishment Knows Best?

Do conservatives take inspiration from Mr. Romney's newness? Or do they take comfort and security from Mr. McCain's rugged ability to endure, and to remind?

It is along those lines the big decision will be made.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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To: bmwcyle

I don’t think there has been a more critical time since our nation’s inception, for people of good intellect who understand what is taking place, to come together and help explain it to people who are not quite there yet.

We must not bow out, or tune out now. While we may not be able to sway minds, we must at least start them thinking. In four years perhaps they will be able to do what we couldn’t four years ago.

It’s a winnowing time in American, when new people on the order of our founders are going to have to stand up and sell what the vision they had for us.


121 posted on 01/25/2008 4:43:21 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Aristotelian
I recall railing against Bush eight years ago and being stomped on by Bush apologists.

Same here. I was even told that it was all part of a secret strategery that would lead to decades of GOP rule.

One thing I notice is that Reagan is getting a lot of mention in the primaries.

122 posted on 01/25/2008 4:43:27 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Aristotelian

Bush is the most conservative president you will see in your lifetime


123 posted on 01/25/2008 4:45:02 AM PST by jern
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To: Darkwolf377
- sold out Agents Ramos and Compean

By letting our justice system do its job? How awful.

The ignorance exhibited in this post is simply jawdropping.

Educate yourself.

124 posted on 01/25/2008 4:45:15 AM PST by sauropod (Fred Reed: "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing.")
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To: bmwcyle

Bush is like a stealth (well not that stealthy) democrat who is going to absolutely ravage this nation over the next year.

Perhaps he’ll actually do us a favor in the long run, if he sells us out to the degree I am afraid he will.

Perhaps some folks will finally wake up and see the light.


125 posted on 01/25/2008 4:45:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
You sound like you are only a few years older than me. I have much the same experince, and I was also proud to vote for Reagan twice. I'm sure you are aware that we are on our heels regards the border issue for at least the next four years. The fighting will be continuous in the trenches as it has been the last eight. That is... the best we can do now is try to force a RINO or democrat into backing away from making the situation even worse.

I guess I'm not serious about voting for Daffy Duck, but I am still voting my conscience. And that rules out RINOs and Dems.

126 posted on 01/25/2008 4:45:33 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Aristotelian
The apologies for Bush have stopped and look at the mess that's been left.

I remember the same thing happening to me when it became painfully obvious some years ago that Bush wasn't all that less liberal than Clinton. In fact if you go by increasing government size and spending - two of the defining characteristics of a liberal he's worse than Clinton.

127 posted on 01/25/2008 4:46:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: arasina

Thank you. I appreciate it.

D1


128 posted on 01/25/2008 4:57:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne

I use to have fights with sinkspur before we elected Bush about his father’s New World Order leanings. Now George Jr. is turning into his father. The proof was there and now I hate to say I was right.


129 posted on 01/25/2008 4:58:39 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: Types_with_Fist

Yep, we’re on our heels across the board. The democrats have a solid lock on both party’s, and only one party’s members are aware of it.


130 posted on 01/25/2008 5:02:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: bmwcyle

I was gone about the first six months of last year, might have been only three to four. When I came back Sinkspur was gone. So were a lot of the other pro illegal immigration squad.

What I also noticed was that the rabid Bush-Bots had disappeared as well.

They may have still been around, but they no longer jumped me out of the blue because I was calling it like I saw it with regard to Bush.

Frankly, it’s been a much better place to frequent for the last six months, and I can’t tell you how much I appreicate it.

We may not all agree, but it’s been a much more cordial forum. I’ve had few blow-outs, this one this morning being the worst in six months.

When I have had words with people, they have been much more willing to concede points or return to cordiality once the debate wound down. That has led me to try to be as frank and consiliatory as is warranted in return.

I can see a real change in the forum for the better.


131 posted on 01/25/2008 5:09:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Darkwolf377
Great post, DW!

Kudos!

132 posted on 01/25/2008 5:18:37 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Aristotelian
A word to the wise: Look at what's happening as a result of not having a conservative in the White House. I recall railing against Bush eight years ago and being stomped on by Bush apologists. Now look. The apologies for Bush have stopped and look at the mess that's been left.

We best remember this when it comes to picking this year's candidate. Another non-conservative GOPer would be disastrous.

I tried warning against Bush as well as soon as I heard him mention "compassionate conservatism."

Nothing will change with this election cycle. A moderate to liberal Republican will be nominated and a few of us will say it's a bad idea and voice our concerns. We'll get shouted down by either the Mittens or the McCainiacs (whoever wins the nomination) and then in 4 years there will be moaning and gnashing of teeth when we are proven right yet again and then the cycle will continue until finally a truly conservative candidate comes along probably in a third party and beats the pants off of the two established parties.

133 posted on 01/25/2008 5:23:46 AM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: DoughtyOne; Jim Robinson
Oh they wish I’d go away, but I won’t. I won’t back down from folks who think it’s okay to fein compliments, and then trash a good man like Reagan.

Ironically that was the same tactic used by many former RudyBots in the famous Bug Zapper thread who were trying to build up their boy by tearing down Reagan, and when they were called on it, they either went so over the edge that they got themselves banned, or they opus'd out after calling JimRob everything except the Beast of Revelation 13.

And all they got for their trouble was the message:

"This account has been banned or suspended."

134 posted on 01/25/2008 5:55:32 AM PST by mkjessup (GOP + FOX + National Review = The NEW "Axis of RINOs")
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To: Aristotelian

Noonan must be having hot flashes...


135 posted on 01/25/2008 6:01:49 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: mkjessup

Well, I don’t like to involve Jim unless it gets worse than it did here. I’ll take a guy to task on point, but I’m not here to try to get anyone booted.

I think it’s pretty obvious I don’t care for it one bit though.


136 posted on 01/25/2008 6:03:07 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: mkjessup

BTW, thanks for the mention of that Rudy thread.


137 posted on 01/25/2008 6:03:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Truthsearcher
Bush is not perfect but if you thought Gore or Kerry wouldn’t have been ten times worse you’re just fooling yourselves.

At least with Gore or Kerry as President the Republicans in congress would have acted like conservatives. Divided government would have been better than what we have now.

138 posted on 01/25/2008 6:06:21 AM PST by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: DoughtyOne; sinkspur
When I came back Sinkspur was gone. So were a lot of the other pro illegal immigration squad.

Sinkspur is pro-illegal immigrant? ROFL!

You have any money you want to put up with that assertion?

139 posted on 01/25/2008 6:06:55 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

Am I confusing him with someone else?


140 posted on 01/25/2008 6:07:54 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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