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Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein... [Ouch!]
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 22 Jan 2008 | Marcus du Sautoy

Posted on 01/22/2008 1:58:48 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein...


Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 22/01/2008

No Einstein...but behind Garrett Lisi's 'theory of everything' lies an amazing idea, says Marcus du Sautoy

Two months ago, the physics world was buzzing with the news of a new Einstein. Garrett Lisi, an unemployed physicist with no university affiliation who spent his time surfing in Hawaii, had come up with the Holy Grail of science: a theory unifying quantum physics and Einstein's theory of relativity.

 
Garrett Lisi
Dude, where's my theory? Symmetry star Garrett Lisi

The media went wild.

However, in the last few weeks several physics blogs have uncovered a problem with Lisi's idea: it doesn't work.

But to understand why, it is necessary to explore the fascinating concept the 39-year-old based his theory on - symmetry.

Lisi was attempting to bridge quantum physics - which works for very small things, like electrons and protons - and relativity - which works for very large things, like galaxies and stars.

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At the moment, we can't fit the two into one coherent model that accurately describes the world we see.

Yet the idea of symmetry is vital to both. Quantum physicists can explain the menagerie of fundamental particles we observe - quarks, gluons, fermions, bosons and more - as different facets of a symmetrical object.

Relativity, too, works so beautifully because of the symmetries that exist between space and time: Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 is essentially expressing a symmetry between mass and energy.

Symmetry is part of the language of nature: many animals and plants exploit symmetrical shapes as a way of standing out against the chaos of the landscape. Symmetry also underlies the molecular world.

Diamond gets its strength from its crystal structure, which binds the carbon atoms together. Viruses such as polio and HIV exploit the symmetry of the icosahedron, a 20-sided dice made up of triangular faces. Because of the simplicity of this shape, viruses find it easier to replicate.

It is also important in the arts. From the Moorish painters in the Alhambra, to Bach's work, symmetry is a crucial ingredient. Although we have been playing with symmetrical objects since the first dice were thrown, it is only in the last two centuries that a true understanding has evolved - thanks to French mathematician Evariste Galois.

Before his death in a duel in 1832, Galois created a language called group theory that shifted attention from the symmetries of objects to the ways they interact.

If I place a 50p piece on the table, I can count the number of symmetries by seeing how many times I can twist or flip it to end up with the same outline.

Just as the number seven is not a concrete thing, but a concept that can be applied to seven cats or seven cups, so Galois realised that the symmetries that describe the coin could describe those of another object.

This language, of talking about "groups" of symmetries, lets us prove that the vast number of designs on the walls in the Alhambra are examples of only 17 patterns.

One of Galois's most stunning breakthroughs was the realisation that there are fundamental symmetrical objects which act as building blocks for all others.

The first on his list were the rotations of coins with a prime number of sides - like the 50p piece (those with six, or eight, or nine sides were not "indivisible" - for example, the rotations of a 15-sided figure can be built out of the rotations of a triangle and a pentagon).

But there were others - the rotations of a football, for example, with its patchwork of hexagons and pentagons, are one of the atoms of symmetry.

The greatest achievement of 20th-century mathematics has been to complete Galois's project. We now have a list of all the building blocks of symmetry - but although they were christened "simple groups", they are far from it.

In particular, there are some very strange designs that don't seem to fit in, known as "sporadic" or "exceptional". The title of Lisi's paper - An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything - does not describe how easy his theory is, but refers to his use of one of these groups, called E8, as the key to his idea to unify quantum physics and relativity into a theory.

E8 can be thought of as the symmetries of a huge snowflake living in 248-dimensional space. Lisi believed that inside this he could bind the symmetries of the quantum world and relativity.

Unfortunately, the consensus, after investigation, is that it is impossible to use E8 in the way Lisi was hoping and produce a consistent model that reflects reality. Lisi has been riding a wave - but it is time to knock him off his board and recognise that we are still waiting for the next Einstein to span the gap between the symmetries of the very small and the very big.

  • Marcus du Sautoy is a Professor of Mathematics at Wadham College, Oxford. He will be giving the inaugural 4th Estate lecture at The Royal Society on Feb 21 on his new book 'Finding Moonshine: A Mathematician's Journey Through Symmetry' which is published by Harper Collins on Feb 4 and is available for £16.99 + £1.25 p&p. To order, call Telegraph Books on 0870 428 4112 or go to www.books.telegraph.co.uk



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Here's how Garrett Lisi's work was heralded in November of last year:

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything

Now, two months later, it appears that his theory doesn't work. Props to him for giving it a go, though.

Surf's up somewhere, dude!

1 posted on 01/22/2008 1:58:50 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; grey_whiskers; PatrickHenry; headsonpikes; Iris7; Junior; ...

A swing and a miss...


2 posted on 01/22/2008 1:59:29 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Hey “snarks_when_bored” Genius, what are the chances that the Large Hadron Collider will find the Higgs Boson and do you think the LHC will lead to a new mass-based energy source?


3 posted on 01/22/2008 2:09:22 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita; blam

“Hey “snarks_when_bored” Genius, what are the chances that the Large Hadron Collider will find the Higgs Boson and do you think the LHC will lead to a new mass-based energy source?”

I dunno dude - but it sounds heavy!


4 posted on 01/22/2008 2:20:07 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

WAY too early to try to think that deep.


5 posted on 01/22/2008 2:32:30 AM PST by P8triot1 (Liberalism ALWAYS produces the exact opposite of its stated intent. Quinns 1st. law..)
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To: kipita
As I recall (without doing any googling), the LHC is intended to have the beam brightness to find the Higgs boson if its mass is in the range predicted by current theory. As for the LHC leading to a new mass-based energy source, unh-unh.

Further ex cathedra comments available upon request...

6 posted on 01/22/2008 2:38:47 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
As I recall (without doing any googling), the LHC is intended to have the beam brightness to find the Higgs boson if its mass is in the range predicted by current theory. As for the LHC leading to a new mass-based energy source, unh-unh.

Further ex cathedra comments available upon request...

Interesting! I've spent 16 years existing as an analytical chemist and your expertise is probably physics so you're more into it (you know what I mean) then I am and I do have a professional respect for your previous posts. Respecting your time, I'll wait a bit for additional questions.

7 posted on 01/22/2008 4:08:01 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Hey surfer dude — I know some ski bums and snowboard addicts who seem to have their own versions of a “theory of everything” — maybe you should all get together, smoke a few bowls, and see where your joint “brainstorming” sessions might lead....


8 posted on 01/22/2008 4:48:54 AM PST by Enchante (Patriots, 18-0 baby!!!!!!!!!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Oh, PHYSICS.

I thought it was about physiques.

Never mind.


9 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:46 AM PST by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Oh please! I’m not buying this crap. The objection of those physicists seems to be based only on scientific evidence. Where’s the consensus? I want to hear what the biologists and geologists and astronomers have to say. Until then, these objections are irrelevant.


10 posted on 01/22/2008 5:17:34 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite
Until then, these objections are irrelevant.

Well as you already know, their objections won't mean squat until the Oprah weighs in.......

11 posted on 01/22/2008 5:24:40 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: Thermalseeker
Well as you already know, their objections won't mean squat until the Oprah weighs in.......

A Republic if you can keep it.........

12 posted on 01/22/2008 5:45:49 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: saganite

(heh heh)


13 posted on 01/22/2008 6:04:45 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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Garrett Lisi site:freerepublic.com Search Text
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14 posted on 01/22/2008 7:29:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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No sign of the Higgs boson
New Scientist | December 5, 2001 (note the year) | Eugenie Samuel
Posted on 04/10/2007 11:48:56 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1814966/posts

Desperately seeking the Higgs boson
Manila Times | Sunday, January 14, 2007 | Rony V. Diaz
Posted on 01/15/2007 4:57:53 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1767741/posts

The Geometer of Particle Physics
Scientific American | August 2006 issue | By Alexander Hellemans
Posted on 09/27/2006 2:46:35 PM EDT by jasoncann
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709437/posts

Greatest Mysteries: Is There a Theory of Everything?
LiveScience | August 21, 2007 | Dave Mosher
Posted on 08/22/2007 2:00:12 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1884671/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=stringtheory


15 posted on 01/22/2008 7:33:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...
Thanks snarks_when_bored.

16 posted on 01/22/2008 7:34:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I wish to be smarter.


17 posted on 01/22/2008 7:41:24 AM PST by devane617 (Fred Thompson in '08.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Tie them all up with strings!


18 posted on 01/22/2008 9:40:50 AM PST by onedoug
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To: snarks_when_bored
Lubos debunked it already in November http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/11/exceptionally-simple-theory-of.html

But, Lisi probably got a bunch of artists interested in the beauty of group theory



More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E8_(mathematics)
19 posted on 01/22/2008 9:54:57 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: SunkenCiv
Keeping my TOE in the holster, I'll just have popcorn and wait this one out ...

I'm still waiting for Binks to get a temporal clue from a spatial combinatoric.

20 posted on 01/22/2008 12:35:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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