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Should He Stay or Should He Go? (Fred)
The Corner at National Review ^ | January 20, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 01/20/2008 6:57:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

An e-mail:

I see that some people (Adler, Geraghty) are calling for Fred to stay in the race. The practical consequence of Thompson's presence so far has been to hand South Carolina to McCain. It's seems unlikely that this dynamic will change in other southern states. All Thompson is managing to do is to split the conservative vote and clear the way for McCain.

Adler also makes the improbable claim that Romney has been revealed as a very weak candidate, even though the information is right there on The Corner that Romney has garnered more votes so far than anyone else in the race.

Lastly, Romney gets slammed for spending money. He is the only candidate running who is attempting to win or place in every state. Giuliani, who also has spent quite a lot, has abandoned most of the country. Fred made a minimal effort outside SC. I half expect a plea for campaign finance reform to follow some of these complaints that Romney is spending too much money. It's very strange.

UPDATE: Another:

Fred is "splitting" the conservative vote with Huckabee. Don't ask me why a conservative would vote for Huckabee, but without Fred, Huckabee would have won S.C. big. If all of Fred's votes had gone to Romney, he still would have been third. Fred should stay in. I'd rather see a brokered convention than Huckabee or McCain as the nominee before then.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: conservatism; conservatives; election; electionpresident; elections; evangelicals; fred; fredthompson; gop; huckabee; johnmccain; mikehuckabee; mittromney; republicans; sc2008; thompson
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To: The_Reader_David

Very well said, sir. Your cogent analysis is appreciated. I look forward to hearing more from you in future.


141 posted on 01/20/2008 9:24:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Politicalmom; Soliton

Soliton’s analysis was based on his speech Saturday night, yours was based on comments by compaign officials Saturday morning. Of course they want to quash talk that he’s dropping out the morning of the primary, but given that he wasn’t even a close third, and given his speech Saturday night, the odds are high he will drop out sometime this week.


142 posted on 01/20/2008 9:35:55 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think Fred should get out, and he is my only choice for president, but I am also a realist, and I love this country.

The only candidate currently running that I would be PLEASED with as president is Thompson.

The only candidate currently running I could ACCEPT if Thompson doesn't win is Romney. My complaints about him are many, but I wouldn't be depressed if he won.

As I see it, if he only acts as a block for the dreadful Huckabee, Thompson will have done a service.

I don't think anyone can realistically believe Thompson is going to be our next president. But if by staying in he blocks Huckabee, I hope he stays until Huckabee goes.

143 posted on 01/20/2008 9:36:14 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist who will vote Fred in the primary, Republican in November)
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To: Darkwolf377

I see Mit Romney as similar to President George H.W. Bush (41) with a litle bit of Ike thrown in.


144 posted on 01/20/2008 9:40:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Darkwolf377
Amen to the atheist. Good preaching.

Is it wrong to pray the imprecatory Psalms for Huck?

145 posted on 01/20/2008 9:42:24 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Young Scholar; Politicalmom
And people who think they have a clue about the details of this level of politics are entertaining to those of us who have danced this dance in the trenches over the years.

So what is your point?

146 posted on 01/20/2008 9:42:47 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: agrarianlady

None!


147 posted on 01/20/2008 9:43:17 PM PST by Bush gal in LA (Don't tread on the Fred! ''Fred Thompson 2008!'')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thompson will drop out soon, and he should.


148 posted on 01/20/2008 9:46:36 PM PST by gruna
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To: gruna

Why?

Why not Rudy?


149 posted on 01/20/2008 9:54:35 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: ejonesie22

Rudy probably should as well if he doesn’t win Florida, since it’s clear he’s been counting on Florida the way Thompson was counting on SC.


150 posted on 01/20/2008 9:56:12 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: ejonesie22

Regarding Thompson, he should drop out because he lost badly in South Carolina, a state where he should have done much better.

Regarding Giuliani, he will wait until he sees how he does in Florida.


151 posted on 01/20/2008 10:11:15 PM PST by gruna
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
His job is done now that Hunter has dropped out.

We'll watch for that ol' Bob Dole swan dive any time now.

152 posted on 01/20/2008 10:13:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Could be. He’s the only one I could stomach of all the alternatives, R and D.

If Huckabee is the nominee, not only would he lose, but he could very well mean the party simply splits into the Unreasonable Religious Right and the Reasonable Religious and Not-So-Religious Right.


153 posted on 01/20/2008 10:41:15 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist who will vote Fred in the primary, Republican in November)
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To: Theo

Let Fred go, he never did have the “fire in his belly”. He acted as if well if someone will give it to me I’ll take it, but we need a scrapper. Do you remember the one man that could change all of this and he said “ if it appears that there is not a really good candidate I will get in”?? Remember his?? Guess who Newt...


154 posted on 01/20/2008 10:47:43 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: Young Scholar

You must go to a good school young scholar


155 posted on 01/20/2008 11:05:14 PM PST by Soliton (Mitt/Huck 2008 "The 50 State Solution ")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think it matters much whether Fred stays or leaves. He can do what he pleases, as far as I'm concerned.

Contrary to other Romney supporters, I don't think Fred's staying in the race hurts Romney much. Thompson supporters who have Romney as their second choice will vote for Romney now anyway because they realize Fred isn't viable. A few diehards will stick to him through thick and thin, but I doubt many of those would go for Romney if Fred were to drop out.

The field will thin regardless of whether Fred chooses to recognize the inevitable and drop out.

156 posted on 01/21/2008 12:19:49 AM PST by curiosity
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To: reasonisfaith
True, and it would be a stronger, broader union under Fred Thompson.

If Thompson had actually gotten off the couch and worked a little to get this union going, it might have become a reality. Unfortunatley, it's way to late to start campaiging now.

157 posted on 01/21/2008 12:24:23 AM PST by curiosity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred needs to go. It didn’t work out.


158 posted on 01/21/2008 12:25:59 AM PST by Dagnabitt (McCain - Kennedy Amnesty --- Two marriage cheats cheating our homeland.)
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To: Dagnabitt

Uh, could you try and let the candidate decide that? Also, let his supporters decide whether to support him or not? If and when he decides to leave the race, his supporters will find someone else to support. Otherwise just leave them alone! Most people on here are smart, and will know what they want. They’re not children, and they’ll support Fred until he backs out.


159 posted on 01/21/2008 12:44:04 AM PST by dsutah
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To: Young Scholar

Perhaps no one should leave just yet.


160 posted on 01/21/2008 1:31:29 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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