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To: elizabetty

So who are you going to support once Fred quits? Romney? He won’t win against the Clinton machine.


41 posted on 01/19/2008 6:29:19 PM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub

An a tired out 25 year establishment DC politican with a war record will win against the Clintons? Ever heard of a guy named Bob Dole? Romny’s got a heck of a better shot then a political hack like McCain.

You McCainiancs got to stop reading polls 10 months in advance of a national election to determine who to vote for. 10 months ago Rudy G was the only guy who could beat the Clintons. Where is he now?

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other canidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mislabeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected President.


53 posted on 01/19/2008 6:32:28 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: College Repub

Romney? He won’t win against the Clinton machine.

Not so soon.  Romney was wearing a plaid shirt tonight and acting very amiable and relaxed.  America has nine months to get acquainted with this hunk heck of a candidate.

111 posted on 01/19/2008 6:48:53 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Why be Europe?)
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To: College Repub
Romney? He won’t win against the Clinton machine

You are blind to the reality that Romney's "machine" is the biggest of any GOP candidate.

This time last year Romney was known to only 5% of GOP voters and due to his extraordinary campaign organization we has won 3 of the first 6 primary elections.

He is an organizational genius and when old hand GOP strategists get on board with him (if he is the nominee) he will certainly be able to take on the clintons.
121 posted on 01/19/2008 6:51:06 PM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: College Repub

Romney? He won’t win against the Clinton machine.


No problem. We’ll just call in the Mormon Mafia people keep taling about.


153 posted on 01/19/2008 6:59:23 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: College Repub
10 months ago the only guy who could beat Hillary was Rudy G. Yet we are suppose to trust polling data 10 months in advance of a General Election to tell us who is going to "Win"? Anyone really think McCain would survive a war with Clinton Inc?

Really tough for the party in the WH to win 3 elections running. Who has a better chance beating a Democrat Senator? Another Senator or someone NOT tied to the DC political machine?

Let us look at the historic record since 1976.

Carter ran as the populist outsider against DC. Carter Won.

1980. Reagan ran as an outsider going to DC to clean up the mess. Reagan won

1984. Old Machine politician and former Senator Mondale ran by the Democrats against Reagan. Reagan won.

1988. VP running on the Reagan legacy against a DC outsider barely won.

1992 DC outsider ran against sitting President. Outsider Clinton won.

1996 Old career Senator named Dole with a stellar war record ran against Sitting President. President Clinton won.

2000 DC outsider ran against sitting President's VP, outsider Bush won by a few hundred votes.

2004 Old career Senator named Kerry with a supposed stellar war record ran against sitting President. President won.

2008. The GOP Establishment plans to run an old tired worn out career Senator with a war record against the former 1st Lady or a 1 term Senator.

Based on that historic record just WHY should I hope McCain has any chance at all against Clinton Inc?

224 posted on 01/19/2008 7:24:31 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: College Repub

I think he could win against either The hildebeast or Osama Obama.


309 posted on 01/19/2008 8:28:50 PM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: College Repub

I think he would. I think the Lefies are scared of Mitt. He has won every debate...

I think a Mitt/Fred or a Mitt/Rudy ticket is a winner.


443 posted on 01/20/2008 5:12:48 AM PST by JaneNC
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