Posted on 01/14/2008 9:11:02 AM PST by processing please hold
1. Was Barack Obama a Muslim?
The issue of Barack Obama's possible Muslim past has re-emerged with conflicting reports about the presidential candidate's childhood in Islamic Indonesia.
The controversy was initially touched off in early 2007 when several media outlets reported that Obama had attended a radical madrasa, or Islamic school, when he lived in Indonesia.
Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs quickly countered with a statement: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."
The reports about the radical madrasa turned out to be false. But in March 2007, Gibbs amended his previous statement, telling the Los Angeles Times: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim," the key word being "practicing."
Obama, his Kansas-born mother and Muslim stepfather moved to Jakarta, Indonesia's capital, in 1967, and Obama lived there from ages 6 to 10.
The Times sent a reporter to Jakarta to investigate Obama's childhood years there, and published an article on March 16 that included these details:
* A close boyhood friend of Obama, Zulfin Adi, said Barack "was a Muslim. He went to the mosque." * Obama's first-grade teacher at a Catholic school, Israella Dharmawan, said: "Barry (Barack's nickname) was Muslim. He was registered as a Muslim because his father was Muslim."
* In the third grade, Obama transferred to a public school, where he was also registered as a Muslim. At the school, Muslim students attended weekly religion lessons about Islam.
* In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
More recently, Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes wrote on FrontPageMag.com that his research led him to conclude that "Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian stepfather."
But on Jan. 2, the liberal organization Media Matters for America (MMfA) took issue with Pipes' report, criticized him for relying too heavily on the Times article, which it claimed was "disputed," in an effort to "revive Obama-Muslim falsehood."
Media Matters cited a March 25 article by Kim Baker in the Chicago Tribune that challenged several assertions in the Times story. Barker wrote that boyhood friend Adi "was not certain" about his statements regarding Obama's childhood and that he "only knew Obama for a few months."
The Media Matters Web posting stated: "Additionally, the Tribune reported that 'interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia.'"
Media Matters also said that "Pipes did not note that Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, has been described in the Tribune as 'much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim.'"
Pipes fired back with a FrontPageMag.com article on Jan. 7, titled "Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam."
Pipes asked if any of the information from the Chicago Tribune article refutes "my analysis, as MMfA contends. It raises questions about two details in the Los Angeles Times account — the accuracy of the Catholic school's registration form and the reliability of Zulfin Adi as a source on Obama. But on the larger issue of Obama's religious practices during his Jakarta years, it confirms the Times account."
Pipes concludes: "Therefore, what MMfA calls the 'Obama-Muslim' falsehood' is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate."
And he adds: "All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the Untied States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world."
Funny how that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. :p
that 'verse' of course related to the period when mohammad was trying to convert people to his new 'religion' - a plagiarized version of the Original Testament and The New Testament, interwoven with ancient arab lore and mohammad's lust for power.
Ibraham Cooper and Reverend Wright of Obama's 'church' have simply taken a leaf out of the life of mohammad. Cunning and very very dangerous.
In speaking about, farrakan the good reverend said this: The above glowing terms, by Rev. Wright, is for a man that has claimed racial superiority and leveled hateful remarks towards Jews, whites, and homosexuals. Ironically, Rev. Wright has a controversial Christian ministry dedicated to "Same Gender Loving."
Same gender loving? obama sure belongs to a strange 'church'. lololol
Of course it doesn't.(sarc.) The topic at hand is that you are bent on spamming this thread and decrying its contributors as tin hat conspiracy theorists. And now you have found that you have bitten off quite a lot more than your gums can masticate conveniently.
Obama is an Islamofascist. Case is made.The phiosophical aspect has been given you on a silver platter in the above Pipes article. Disprove it using facts or go running back to some RINOhold/Libsters and get some help. We are ready to take on all comers my FRiend,including Obumster himself.
...there have been reports that members of farrakan’s ‘church’ are leaving to join the congregation at the ‘church’ of the reverend wright.
Popcorn time. Bunfight. Can’t wait.
It should be fun to watch.
That place appears to be anything but a 'church.' That Rev Wright sounds like he's off his rocker.
The Muslims are Nazis
The muslims want to conquer the world like the nazi germany wanted.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f99_1185836519
Nothing showed up. Was it supposed to be a youtube type video? The titles of the articles on the side of the page blew my socks off though. Israeli neo-nazis?
Sorry that you are having trouble opening it. Not you tube, but this liveleak just worked for me.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f99_1185836519
Here is related video ( with you tube ) ; but not the same.
The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7L05geznoI
Thank you. The first link is this post is buffering. I’m on dial up so it may take some time.
Yawn.
Sorry for the slowness.
It is about the 1930’s when Hitler and the Muslims joined forced to kill Jews. The Mufti had a meeting with Hitler to plan and raise a SS Muslim Division.
People often ask for links ; here is one with video and audio. Some of the points are :
The Jews are the prologue, then Christians, Buddists, Hindus, etc.
” No one is accepted except the Muslims on this earth.”
Destroy the west, democracy...where radical Islam takes over UK, USA...the former White House becomes the Black House...
Destroy the west, democracy...where radical Islam takes over UK, USA...the former White House becomes the Black House...
And we're helping them along. Disgusting.
Sleep tight.
Thanks for the synopsis on it.
Grrrrr. Very interesting 102 seconds I was able to see.
That should read. 1 min 02 sec.
Sorry that it taking so long.
Can you get DSL ?
Good name : processing please hold
8-)
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Malik Obama, the older brother of Barack Obama, holds an undated photo of Barack, Malik and an unidentified friend while sitting in his Siaya, Kenya, shop. Associated Press photo by Karel Prinsloo
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