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Posted on 01/10/2008 6:37:05 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded
This is the problem. The State has put the job of law enforcement onto the merchant.
I can understand why these merchants feel the need to do all they can to protect against a sting. It's Big Brother bullying another into doing its dirty work, and the honest citizen and the merchant are both the victims.
The last paragraph also nails it.
ROTFLMAO! You win.
Since my hair turned grey - really, really grey - I haven't had the problem. I used to resent it. Now I tell the kids they'll hate it worse when it stops happening.
Except for one time in Dallas last October. I wuz buying a sixer for the evening in the hotel and the lady at the counter says, really loudly, "Y'all shooore yer old enough to buy thayat?" I said "bless yer heart" and produced an ID (it was actually my CCW, not my driver's license - they look alike) and she winked at me. I turned around to see a group of really nervous-looking young folks behind me. One of 'em split off and put the beer back.
>>>Farewell to anonymous anything. Between the scanning of your credit card, gas discount card, grocery discount card, online cookies, passport … your autonomy has been gone for a long time.<<<
Sadly, I was thinking this myself. For instance, I always tell the students in my high school classroom that anything typed on the computer or on the Internet should never be considered private. (I include myself, too - I won’t post anything on any website that I think might get me in trouble at work or home, and that includes the guts of the hard drive. Real privacy? I’ll use pen and paper, or talk to someone in person.) As soon as I step outside my front door, I consider my privacy gone. I wish I could figure out a way to retrieve it, too.
If I’m not doing anything wrong, I’m not too worried about this. OTOH, if I were a Dimocrat, I guess I’d kick and scream.
Technically I suppose any sort of photo I.D. will do. Have to test that one day. Of course if they refuse I will just leave and go elsewhere....and if i have a full cart at the time they can have the fun of putting everything back. But reading the article I can understand how a lot of people dislike the intrusion. One way to stymie them at the supermarket is to give them a phony phone number. They will take that instead of the store card they issue. Half the time when I have given them my number they call me by a name I never heard of anyway. Fighting “the machine” can be amusing at times.
“My main thought on I.D. checks at stores is a simple one. I am 55 and when buying smokes or booze they ask for I.D. I asked one clerk if they ever felt like a complete and total tool for enforcing the company policy when only a total idiot would ever think that I was under 21. I think that most of them do indeed feel this way.”
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If they card everyone, then no one can sue claiming that they were discriminated against since they look almost 21 or other age-related nonsense.
When I get carded, I just say “thank you.”
Autonomy of information is a thing of the past. Hard rives have infinite memory unless you defrag often or reformat, then perhaps “most” of what you type will be gone.
Not to beat a dead horse. Just out of curiosity, I formatted a hard drive three times ( the old format c: gambit) … was still able to retrieve about 65% of original data.
There are places here in Houston card silver haired old men too. The State requires that everyone in a bar have an ID regardless of age or distinguishing characteristics and some bars make absolutely certain of it.
You can’t be trusted to be an adult in the modern world.
I’ve read the comments, and although this guy does sound like a knee jerking left wing nut, I have to agree that too many people have way too much information on us. There should be, at minimum, disclosure beforehand.
I’ve been to auctions, with a bank LOC in hand, and they wanted to photocopy my dl. I told them to pound sand, and they “waived” that requirement.
I’m not so worried about id theft, as I have mechanisms in place to help prevent that. I’m more concerned about my physical address than anything else. There is an awful lot of home invasions nowadays, and having an address of your victim in advance is a bonus for the crooks.
A regional drugstore chain here tried to ask for ID from EVERYONE who wanted to buy tobacco, after setting it up that you had to go to a separate in-store kiosk to purchase smokes.
A sizeable portion of their customers (myself and freinds included) flat out refused, and would walk out without ANY purchases.
The policy ended within 2 weeks. The kiosk remains, but unless you look 24 or less, ID is NOT requested.
Yet you expect us to acquiesce to this, and quietly accept it?
Like the writer of this slightly libertarian screed, I believe it is not just our Right, but indeed our DUTY to TRY to bequeath the freedoms and wilful vagaries of innocent scoundrelism to the youth of the future.
Without rule bending during adolescence, there can be no joy. The much vaunted "Freedom to Choose" INCLUDES the freedom to make BAD decisions AND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!
The infantilistic society we live in today is a key reason for the inconceivable lack of concern for consequences in our youth today: They have grown up in a culture where it's almost impossible to actually suffer consequences for bad decisions. So, we end up with kids who put cats into microwave ovens, or "swarm" lone adults in parks, or go "street drifting" regularly.
THEY are paying the price for the "nanny state" we have allowed to foment itself upon our once great nations.
Now the question is: How do we start to UNDO the damage wrought?Yes, this is a bit off-topic, but your attitude of "Yeah, so what?" is EXACTLY what I am referring to.
IF we want to, we CAN start to dismantle this smothering mothering of our governments. We do have to start small, though. Unless you know enough folks who know enough folks to utilize the "reset button".
If you are asked for it, show it police-badge style.
That's what I do with my primary ID, which is my retired military ID card. I never use my DL.
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I was proofed at a restaurant in the Smithhaven Mall on Long Island 6 years ago ...when I was 49 ! I have been told I look young , but under 21 ? No way !
I find this to be a transparent way to grow a mailing list.
(I thought houstons had gone out of business.)
This has NOTHING to do with security, this has everything to do with recording data for marketing. The recording is being SOLD as security.
I would think recording such data would run afoul of identity theft laws.
Just wait for the first ID theft lawsuit from this idiotic marketing scam effort.
Make sure the ice cream's at the bottom of the cart, when you do this! ;-P
it is not the carding.
read the article.
The restaurant is collecting the data ON the license and correlating it with your drinking habits.
They also use the ID as a subterfuge to collect the info for marketing.
walking into a restaurant is not consent to be a target for junk mail.
Fortunately, either that isn’t the case in Houston, or I’m too old-looking to even have heard about it.
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