A Hard Loss for Romney (He's all but doomed now)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ ^ | Jan 4,2008 | By John Ellis

[Maelstorm]

A Hard Loss for Romney By John Ellis

It's one thing to lose as you are. What you lose is an election, but there's always another election and in the case of presidential primary politics, a new electorate that awaits you in the next state. It's another thing to lose as you aren't. Mitt Romney was never the 700 Club right-winger his campaign managers conceived. He was and is a man of business and a very capable one at that.

He's all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney's media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die. On January 9, his managers will walk in and say that the campaign needs $10 million or $15 million to continue and that he, Romney, will have to write the check. Everyone who would contribute has maxed out. Everyone who might won't. Two-time losers don't get new money. It's a basic rule of politics.

[Greg F]

Cut me a break! Are you telling me that you’d vote for a Moonie or a Scientologist running for President? How about a follower of Jim Jones? If not, then you’re just drawing the same line I am.

[Colofornian]

It's not relevent to the 2008 race and its unChristian bashing. Leave them alone.

I'm sorry, but nobody elected you as "D.o.R." (Dictator of Relevency)

Believe me, if Mitt was descended from a white family whose ancestor called blacks the "whore of Babylon" and their offspring "harlot daughters," would you accuse black leaders who raised this as being "sick, demented, divisive, hateful, jihadists, unChristian, & bashing?"

Answer: No, you wouldn't. Why? Because to you Evangelical Christians are "fair game" for name-calling, for ad-hominen attacks, for judgmental bashing, etc.... in history (Mitt's ancestors); in contemporary LDS "scriptures"; and in real time (all the invectives you just hurled my way).

An allowance you would give for a racial minority of this world is one that when vocalized by a spiritual minority of this world, you gear into full-blast mode.

How hypocritical of you...you bash me & judge me as one being "unChristian" (along with the rest of your invectives where 1 out of every 5 words is a typical liberal label, a typical ad-hominen attack) -- accusing me of exactly what you just engaged in. Moat meet beam. (If "unity" is so important to you, may I suggest that calling fellow Republicans "sick, demented, divisive, hateful, Jidadists, unChristian, basher is not exactly a way to bring "unity"...which just shows your call for it is quite empty, quite hollow, totally devoid of meaning, inconsistent, hypocritical, and flunks the very own standards you set for yourself as a "unifier").

[WOSG]

I assume you are speaking for yourself. I could vote for a "cultist" as easily as a Jewish conservative as easily as a Catholic conservative. I don't check people's religious credentials when I vote. Just their principles. Oh, and I was evangelical before it was cool.

Great comment.

[prairiebreeze]

No disagreement from me about Hunter’s experience. But he’s done. In actuality, he never even really started. It’s unfortunate, but true.

BTW, have you ever read any Fred positions on immigration, Social Security, WOT, taxes, or seen the holiday ad that his campaign issued for our troops? Actuallly, there is plenty there that inspires.

Are you and the SanDiego Republicans that you assert that you speak for, in Mitt’s camp then? Huckabee’s? Giuliani’s? McCain’s?

Just who, pray tell, are you asserting should get the nomination and defeat the RATS in November?

And I expect a sane and achievable answer, please.

[WOSG]

I dont care if it “works” or not, this is not about Romney, this is a plea to stop the hateful divisive bashing of someone else’s religion. This has nothing to do with the election. It hurts conservatives and Republicans as we share different faiths. I am sorry you lack the grace, compassion and wisdom to ‘get it’. Maybe some day when the shoe is on the other foot and your religion is attacked, you will.

[1Old Pro]

Romney won’t quit because out of a quarter billion voters nationwide he lost a rce in Iowa that 1% of their very small population turned out for - that’s about as ridiculous as thinking Obama will beat Hillary.

[Greg F]

that’s about as ridiculous as thinking Obama will beat Hillary.
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I think he will.

[DodoDreamer]

Romney comes off as an empty suit every time he opens his mouth. This disingenousness is sensed by GOP voters. No one knows what he really ‘believes’. Is he for or against socialized medicine?

Question: What is Mitt’s view on abortion?

Answer: What office is he running for?

[Colofornian]

So you take Romney to task over issues where he is by far better than the other RINOs in the race. And what’s worse is that Romney is running on conservative agenda - Guiliani, Huckabee and McCain are not. All three are deliberately deviating from conservative orthodoxy.

You call the following a good representation of a "conservative" Romney campaign on what Pat Buchanan on the Laura Ingraham show this a.m. said was of importance to voters, especially Evangelical voters? (what Buchanan called the social/moral/cultural issues)

Huck was not my fave candidate, but on family issues, who emerges at the top for protecting marriage & marriage rights? (Huckabee & Hunter) Who emerges counterfeit marriage & domestic partnership benefits (Huckabee & Hunter & Paul) [In fact, Romney supports both civil unions for homosexuals & dp benefits as well]

Who opposed homosexual couples adopting children? (Huckabee & Hunter & Paul)

On cultural issues, who were the weakest 2 GOP candidates on a long list of homosexual issues? (Romney & Giuliani)

In comparing Huckabee to Romney, who was better on religious rights & healthcare issues (Huckabee on both counts)

The character of Mitt Romney is of higher calibre than Guiliani, Huckabee and McCain as well.

Oh yeah, Huck & McCain--both Baptists, BTW (even tho only Huck is recognized as one 'cause of his dozen yrs as a minister), took in $25,000 grand a year + stock for 10 years--part of which, as--not me--but as the LDS-owned Deseret News pointed out in July, 2007...came from revenues gleaned from in-room porn movies via the Marriott chain where Romney was a board member.

Huck, of course, is not squeaky clean, having accepted gifts in what I find was a "corrupt" manner when he left office, registering them under the "wedding" gifts category so that it was technically legal. (I think he should be held morally accountable for this as well)

[broncobilly]

Your obsession over Mormonism and your desire to discredit Mormons is pathetic.
The fact is, the Mormon Church doesn’t have an official interpretation of those verses. There have been many speculations expressed over the years. None of them has been accepted. What Orson Pratt and Bruce McConkie said is their own opinion. And both of them have been reprimanded for some of their bizarre opinions, McConke in particular on just that opinion you quote.
Give it up. Surely you have something more useful to do with your life.

[Jackknife]

I don’t care when he drops, as long as he drops. I just hope he sticks around long enough to destroy that other liberal fraud, the Huckster.

Ditto.

[WOSG]

“Cut me a break!” Why? You are disqualifying someone solely because you dont like their religion. You ought to be scolded for your narrowminded stupidity and abusing your power of the vote.
How about a Jew? Are Jews unqualified for the Presidency just like Mormons? Why?

And comparing a Mormon to someone from Jim Jones crowd is pathetic. Jim Jones was friend with Jimmy Carter and spoke the populism more akin to Carter, and, uh, Huckabee. As I said, Mormonism is no more a cult than Quakerism and Unitarianism, and we’ve have both (Nixon, Taft) as Presidents. Mormons share our Judeo-Christian values.

Why wouldnt a conservative Scientologist who had a Reagan view of things be better for America than another Southern Baptist Jimmy Carter? Are you really such a fool that you’d vote Carter over a Scientologist Reagan? Well that would be quite the Clusterhuck indeed.

[broncobilly]

The White Horse prophecy is a lot of bunk. Every few years it shows up again with different wording.

[Greg F]

So you would vote for a scientologist. Do you have any idea what scientologists believe in and what their founder indulged in?

Check out this interview with L. Ron Hubbard’s son:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

I think you are way off base not accounting for membership in cults in your evaluation of people. It goes to their discernment and to the influences that operate on them in their lives past and present.

[LadyNavyVet]

If Huckabee gets the nomination, we’ll talk on November 5th.

[WOSG]

“sick, demented, divisive, hateful, Jidadists, unChristian, basher” If the shoe fits, wear it. It’s not as if you havent been saying far far much worse for many months like a harpie on so many threads. It’s sad that you have this unhealthy and rather vile obsession with attacking other people’s religion, and sadder still you think nothing wrong in it.

[Scarchin]

Wow!

FR is full of crappy analysis today - a lot of wishful thinking from the “My way or the highway” crowd.

Romney is actually in great shape right now.

Huckabee has had his moment - mostly media and Jesus-freak created.

[WOSG]

YOU DIDNT ANSWER MY QUESTION:Why wouldnt a conservative Scientologist who had a Reagan view of things be better for America than another Southern Baptist Jimmy Carter? Are you really such a fool that you’d vote Carter over a Scientologist Reagan?

WHATS YOUR ANSWER?

[Greg F]

My answer would be the same as with Romney. Don’t nominate a cult member.

[Ol' Sparky]

McCain is very personable and certainly capable in a number of areas, but why would your description not fit him as well?

I disagree with your assessment of McCain's personality.

Having stated that, McCain has betrayed the conservative movement over and over again and can't be trusted, especially when it comes to nominating judges.