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To: PreciousLiberty

Huckabee has a lot of problems but I am shocked at the level of animosity towards his candidacy around here. Huckabee is a fiscal moderate and yes this is a bad thing. However, many Freepers seem to view this as worse then Giuliani who is a social liberal. Are we really so shallow that we would care more about our taxes then about the lives of millions of babies?


222 posted on 01/03/2008 2:04:59 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin

Guiliani tells the truth about his record. He says he is pro-abortion, he says he is for gun control.

Huckabee doesn’t tell the truth. He hems and haws around the truth but doesn’t tell it.

I may not vote for Guiliani, but at least I don’t have to ignore what he says while looking for where he stands. That is why Huckabee gets under so many people skins: he’s a con man.


225 posted on 01/03/2008 2:07:56 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: dschapin
Are we really so shallow that we would care more about our taxes then about the lives of millions of babies?

A majority of the people around here are Thompson supporters, so they care about both.

228 posted on 01/03/2008 2:09:07 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred Thompson - The only true conservative in the race)
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To: dschapin

Giuliani is much more honest about his liberalism.


231 posted on 01/03/2008 2:10:17 PM PST by Cedric
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To: dschapin
YOU"RE shocked. I'm schocked that at all these Huckabee bots defending him. Is whatever reason you are defending this Huckster worth the destruction of the United States and of your own living standard?

Huckabee is not only for Amnesty for illegals but also he is for chain Amnesty .

Huckabee will give Amnesty to 30 million illegals and then allow those 30 million to bring to the U.S. 100 million of their relatives . That would turn America into a 3rd world socialist hell hole. Who cares if this Huckster says he is a Christian and says he is pro-life when he will destroy America and what’s left of the Republican party?

Huckabee is not only for Amnesty but for chain Amnesty. What does it matter that the Huckster says he is a good Christian and pro-life when Huckabee will turn the U.S,. into a socialist state where we will all be starving?

Mike Huckabee is a socialist/liberal, pro-Amnesty, pro-illegal immigrant, tax-raising, false prophet. Someone should tell Huckabee and the Democrats that socialism doesn't work. Look at the U.S. government schools, USSR, Cuba, N Korea, Eastern Europe as examples that show socialism doesn't work.

Mike Huckabee. The Socialist From Arakansas. CofCC.org Newa Team

(by Kyle Rogers)

The NEA is a radical left wing teachers association. They aggressively oppose homeschooling, are hostile to parochial schools, and advocate federalizing the curriculum of all public schools. As Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee passed a law that added major restrictions to the Arakansas Homeschool Rights Act passed by Bill Clinton, making Arkansas one of the most hostile state to homeschoolers outside of the Northeast. Homeschoolers in Arkansas had more rights when Clinton left office than when Huckabee left office.

Was Mike Huckabee “just like Bill Clinton?” Maybe, but some would actually say he was to the left of Bill Clinton. As Governor of Arkansas, Huckabee’s tax and spend record greatly exceeded former AR Gov. Bill Clinton. He even wanted to tax the internet.

Mike Huckabee is to the left of even Sam Brownback and John McCain on immigration. He claimed God wants us to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. As Governor of Arkansas he advocated letting illegal aliens vote.

While Huckabee is now lying and saying he is dedicated to fighting illegal immigration, his record is clear.

Fact #1. As Governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee denounced an immigration bill (Arkansas Senate Bill 206) that “would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and would have required state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.” (Doug Thompson, “Immigration Bill un-Christian..governor says”Arkansas News Bureau 1/28/05)

Fact #2. As Governor, Mike Huckabee offered a proposal to give state funded scholarships and state benefits to illegal aliens. (Laura Kellams, “Huckabee Plan would give aid to illegal aliens” Arkansas Democrat Gazette 1/12/2005)

Fact #3. Governor Huckabee supported the McCain-Kennedy Senate Amnesty bill for illegal aliens. Huckabee claims to know God’s position on the Amnesty Bill, and that God supports it. Huckabee has repeated called opponents of illegal immigration “racists” and/or “bigots.” Read Article. , Read Article #2

Fact #4. Governor Huckabee refuses to sign the “No Amnesty Pledge”.

Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html

Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.html

While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html

Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html

Huckabee’s opposition to the illegal aliens bill:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html

234 posted on 01/03/2008 2:11:22 PM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: dschapin

Not when we have the option to go with someone who will take care of both fronts...


236 posted on 01/03/2008 2:11:51 PM PST by Loyolas Mattman
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To: dschapin
RUSH: ... We've talked about abortion on this program countless times, the sanctity of life and how it is the root of many things. But in terms of electing a president, there are a couple things the president can do about abortion, one of them substantive, the other is somewhat ephemeral. The substantive thing that a president can do about abortion is to nominate judges, primarily Supreme Court justices. That's it. Now, a president can lead, a president can try to inspire and motivate, change hearts and so forth, but, in a substantive way, there's not much a president can do about abortion. Rick from Kansas City is a good illustration, a good example of what I mean when I describe Governor Huckabee as campaigning on identity politics. There are some people who will overlook every aspect of Governor Huckabee that is really something in total opposition to most of their beliefs, because all they will see is the Christian characteristic, particularly if it fits right with the abortion issue.

Now, my friends, I'm sorry here. I haven't spent a lifetime, and particularly the last 23 years on radio, advocating conservative principles only to throw them away to embrace some candidate. I don't support open borders and amnesty, as does Governor Huckabee. I don't support the release of hundreds of criminals. I don't support repeated increases in taxes. I don't support national health care. I don't care what you call it, whether it's in the name of the children or not. I don't support anti-war rhetoric that sounds as if it was written by Nancy Pelosi. And yet I'm being asked to put all that aside in the midst of a Republican primary. As I've tried to point out countless times, a primary is a time to sort these things out. Now, I, speaking for myself, am not going to put aside my principles to accommodate a single politician or campaign operative, period. Too much is at stake here. And being asked to do this, to put all this aside for any single issue is not the point.

Now, I don't want somebody in the White House who has no problem with abortion. I don't want anybody in the White House who thinks that it's okay and that we ought not do anything about it. Don't misunderstand. But I also don't want anybody to misunderstand what a president can actually do about it and how far a president can actually take the issue. It's about judges, if your concern is overturning Roe vs. Wade. If it's not, if you realize that's going to be a ways down the line and yet we want to do something about abortion prior to that then it's about changing minds and hearts. There are several ways of going about doing that, and one of the ways is not wagging your finger in people's faces and telling them they're sinning or telling them they're wrong, you're just going to seal their resolve against you. I think we're in the process of changing minds and hearts. I think abortion figures are falling. I think as generations grow and change, there's a greater repugnance attached to the whole practice. It is not an 80% majority issue, pro-choice isn't. It's not even 50% now. Progress is being made on this. But I'm not going to sit here and put aside all of these things that I believe in and have worked for and that I know work. (cont.)

RUSH: Why Conservatism Matters Most
243 posted on 01/03/2008 2:15:02 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: dschapin
Were you around for the immigration bills? Then no way you should be shocked about how most FReepers feel about the Huckster.
245 posted on 01/03/2008 2:15:40 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: dschapin
Huckabee has a lot of problems but I am shocked at the level of animosity towards his candidacy around here. Huckabee is a fiscal moderate and yes this is a bad thing. However, many Freepers seem to view this as worse then Giuliani who is a social liberal. Are we really so shallow that we would care more about our taxes then about the lives of millions of babies?

I agree w/you...what's surprising, tho, is that we never saw these kinds of things posted in thread & thread when Huck wasn't perceived as a "threat." (That wasn't true, BTW, of Romney).

So I take that to mean that if he was the level of threat folks now make him out to be, then we'd seen that level of animosity all throughout '07. (But we didn't in FReeper posts).

Conclusion: Basically, it seems that it's not Huck's bad side on the issues that motivated many folks as much as that he threatened their fave candidate's voter turf. Now that's not true of some FReeper's, who have been issuing Huck warnings all throughout '07. (So I'm not talking about those folks). I'm only talking about those that if you review their comments for the past two months, you'll see they went from 0 to 150 MPH just like a snap of their fingers.

326 posted on 01/03/2008 2:57:23 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: dschapin
Huckabee has a lot of problems but I am shocked at the level of animosity towards his candidacy around here. Huckabee is a fiscal moderate and yes this is a bad thing. However, many Freepers seem to view this as worse then Giuliani who is a social liberal. Are we really so shallow that we would care more about our taxes then about the lives of millions of babies?

Nice strawman....;)
409 posted on 01/03/2008 3:30:39 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: dschapin

You are SO missing the point.

Yes, I actually rank Huck under Rudy. Reason being, Rudy will be less instrusive in my personal life than Huckabee the Nanny-stater.

Rudy also knows how to tell the terrorists to kiss his ass, unlike Huck, who kisses THEIRS.


430 posted on 01/03/2008 3:41:16 PM PST by RockinRight (Huckabee - Edwards' economics, Obama's foreign policy, but with a nice Jesus-approved smile.)
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