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To: webschooner

Business is doing exactly what the unions are doing; only business is playing both sides of the street because of its financial depth.
It’s no secret that business is an avowed enemy of labor, union or otherwise. If possible business would willing embrace, as it did in the 1930s, the use of police and private agents to attack, injure or even kill people who seek to organize into a union.
Today that isn’t necessary in the United States because business can let the communist regimes of China and Vietnam do exactly the same thing for them by using manfacturing facilities in those nations. And, to a slightly lesser extent achieve the same ends in third world countries where environmental and labor laws don’t exist or aren’t enforced.
I find both business and unions to be neither all bad or all good. But, the unfathomable greed of business and the unions’ mindless support of the radical left is reprehensible and damnable.
But, the current crop of business leaders born during or soon after World War II are the most avaricious individuals this nation has produced in some time. Additionally, their anti-American practices are now endorsed in our MBA programs. The welfare of our nation and its citizens are of little concern to business and a focused representation of union members has been abandoned by union leaders in favor of political gain through a socialist agenda.
I believe we have been betrayed on both sides of the labor divide though I will always use unionized, skilled crafts when needed, i.e., plumbers, electricians, carpenters, drywallers or sheetmetal workers, because of the high qualilty of work they produce.
No doubt their are those who won’t agree with my take on the use of union crafts and will offer examples otherwise, but, those who have passed through a union apprenticeship demonstrate far more skill than those who haven’t.
In my area,illegal immigrants and the Amish are much used in the trades. The illegals have a much deserved bad reputation, but continue to be used by contractors and individuals. The Amish are wood butchers but cheap and somehow maintain a cachet to the detriment of those who employ them.


96 posted on 12/23/2007 7:46:46 AM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Sorry, I don't share your hatred of business and business leaders, capitalism, and global free trade. Unions had their benefit to workers in the early 1900's, but that time is past, and their main goal now is to promote and finance a socialist agenda, so personally I have no truck whatsoever with them and their goals. If the unions get the socialism they want, it would destroy the country.

I have contracted non-union tradesmen my whole life, and always manage to find workers who produce excellent quality work. I live in a "right-to-work state", and unions just are not very popular overall here. They are always trying, but never get a foothold here. My wife is a nurse, and they are always trying to unionize the medical workers, but they are never successful, as the nurses have great benefits, pay, and conditions here, so the majority are just not interested in the union. To each his own. If you like unions, go for it. I don't care. It's a free country ... until and unless we become completely socialized.

99 posted on 12/23/2007 11:01:01 AM PST by webschooner
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To: em2vn
But, the unfathomable greed of business and the unions’ mindless support of the radical left is reprehensible and damnable.

Perhaps you don't understand that a union is a collectivist construct. It is by definition a leftist organization. The union is simply supporting the political ideology that mirrors its own existence. Conservatives value individual rights. Each individual prospers or fails on his/her merits.

101 posted on 12/23/2007 11:11:02 AM PST by Myrddin
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