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To me it’s an obvious chain, I talked about us abandoning a country (Afghanistan), he mentioned us abandoning a different country (Vietnam), I said I didn’t consider Vietnam an abandonment because we lost that war and a battlefield (the nation of Vietnam) where you lost isn’t really abandoned. Now I suppose a reasonable person could be mistaken there and raise a reasonable objection, like you did, which gives room for a reasonable explanation. He lead with yells (post 56 almost all caps), I stayed reasonable in my reply (post 61) which adds that the reason we lost is that we never wanted to win. A reasonable person could conclude from there that I wasn’t blaming the military, his reply then leads with insulting me and claiming I’m blaming the military, the need to use insults clearly shows he’s not being reasonable. I clarified that I didn’t blame the military. He then brought back my sentence he was complaining about, I explained it to him, then he called me a liar. Now that he’s called me a liar I have no need to try to be reasonable, he can go $%^& himself with something wide, scratchy and unlubricated. I tried to be nice, notice you and I had a polite conversation on the subject, one where I re-iterated that my blame for the loss in Vietnam does NOT go to the military, but he didn’t want to be nice, he wanted to shout insults, %^&* him.

You want sad, take it up with the guy that started the insults. I didn’t spin anything, he misunderstood it and turned into a flaming asshole about it. I can deal with misunderstanding, it happens, nobody’s perfect. But don’t don’t start shouting, don’t start insulting, and WAY don’t call me a liar because of YOUR mistake. I won’t take kindly to it, and I SHOULDN’T take kindly to it.

Have it your way if you must but you simply do not, likely cannot, understand what it is like for Viet Nam vets to read things like that when we KNOW better! Moreover, our enemy on the battlefield knows better as well! (You did read the General Giap quote I posted didn't you.)

I didn’t spin anything, he misunderstood it and turned into a flaming asshole about it.

You said that "we abandoned a lost battlefield in Vietnam." That is flat wrong and you have been spinning your answer ever since. The battlefield is the province of the military. There is no one else there to win or lose it. The fact is our military won the battlefield in Vietnam and the politicians pulled them out. There was no "lost battlefield" to abandon. We abandoned a victorious battlefield to be accurate. I don't see anyone agreeing with you and you are most definitely being a flaming asshole about it.