[Fester Chugabrew]

Washington and Jefferson warned against becoming entangled in other nation’s affairs. None of the forefathers you mentioned was a nut case, either. There is room for genuine debate regarding our role in foreign affairs, presidential powers, and the like.

Ron Paul brings a different perspective, to be sure, but I see nothing in his arguments to make him worthy of the knee-jerk slander that seems to crop up whevever his name is mentioned. Sounds just a like a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth Bush haters.

[wagglebee]

Washington and Jefferson warned against becoming entangled in other nation’s affairs.

Let's see, during the Whiskey Rebellion, George Washington declared martial law in certain parts of the country and commanded American troops on American soil to enforce taxes.

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison both fought undeclared wars off the coast of Africa.

None of the forefathers you mentioned was a nut case, either.

I never said they were, Ron Paul is a nutcase though.

[rideharddiefast]

Ron Paul brings a different perspective, to be sure

That is an understatement. He brings the perspective of "surrender is the only option", the perspective of "if something bad happens it is America's fault", the perspective of "if we just appease the terrorists a little more they will not attack us". The problem is most Americans have enough common sense to realize these perspectives are all bunk.