Posted on 12/19/2007 2:43:48 AM PST by Reagan Man
The Republican Party primary has so far been an exercise in none of the above. In their turns John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney seemed to be or seemed about to be frontrunners — only to fall back as the party's likely voters got a sharper look at each of them. Even my old boss Newt Gingrich, without even announcing, had a handsome surge from 4-5 percent to 18-20 percent in February — before falling back to single digits.
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Yes and Fred did not fair well taking on DEMs and whether you believe it or not his record and his own words in hearings said so. Fred said "Let the chips fall where they may" later Fred said "Don't name no names". Which is the real Fred? But even that was not as bad as NOT GUILTY! Fred was in trouble long before his daughter died. Of course some Freepers think Orrin Hatch would be a fine USSC Justice as well. Weird isn't it?
Fred wanted out and Bush wanted a family insider man in to replace him. A deal was made and two good proven in congress conservatives were shut out as being Fred's replacement which was this nations loss. BTW I am a life long resident of Tennessee 50 plus years.
Fred had not yet faced re-election. His first term was short as it was a special election. His second term began in 1997 or re-elected in 1996. Funny thing about Tennessee Republicans you don't always get what you think you're getting. Take Don Sundquist for example. A RINO who was a Hillary Care shill and nearly destroyed the state. He was thankfully term limited out of office. The DEM who took his place looks like a conservative compared to him. Just because an R follows the name does not mean they should be elected because of it.
Hmmmmm, interesing. What your are saying is, even though Fred was “scared of the DEMS” after winning both elections in landslides, he went ahead and announced for a third term, then changed his mind after realizing he was more scared than he thought. And then used the excuse of the death of his daughter to bail on the third term. That is one hell of an accusation based purely on your own private speculation.
Regarding the senate trial, Fred voted GUILTY on the obstruction of justice charge, and that would have been enough to remove Clinton from office had enough other voted same.
You really need to get some facts straight before you post. You are embarrassing yourself.
DICK CHENEY!!!
I would prefer a brokered convention. The smoke filled rooms often produced better candidates than the current primary system that relies more on money and name recognition to select our candidates. A “real” convention could actually galvanize support within the GOP. And the huge media coverage and public interest would be priceless.
Source please.
Ford barely lost Ohio [48.92% to 48.65%] with its 25 EV, but that would not have been enough to win the election.
Yes especially one named John Glenn. Scared may not be the right word. Then again it might. Fred did not have the spine to take on Glenn. Why should I or anyone else think he can take on the likes of Hillary in a race or Ted Kennedy etc? The DEMs hope Fred, Mitt, Rudy, or McCain, gets elected and you can take that one to the bank. The second best thing in their eyes besides winning is having a man in office like Bush who has carried their water for his terms. Learn from the lesson of Don Sundquist.
The delegates. If no candidate can amass enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot, then it will become a brokered convention with delegates switching to other candidates once they are released from their obligation to vote for a specific candidate based on the primary results. Since most of the Rep primaries are not winner take all, but rather, proportional in terms of how the delegates are awarded, it is quite easy to imagine that no candidate will the requisite delegates to win on the first ballot.
Politically they were two peas in a pod though. Much of the Carter years mess including the military woes were just a continuation. That is the problem of which still haunts the GOP today. It can not shake off the Liberalism of the Ford era lackies. Same names same faces making same mistakes and expecting different results.
I see so you are standing by your accusation that Fred left the senate because of cowardice and not because of the reason he gave....i.e. the death of his daughter.
I guess you must somehow know what is in the heart of another man and can judge him on that.
Ford had pardoned Nixon. The defeat in Vietnam cast a pall over the country. The military woes began long before Carter took office. I left the military in November 1972. The military was totally demoralized and funding was reduced significantly. The conservative South went for Carter with the exception of VA. I don't consider Nixon and Ford as liberals. There was a far greater ideological split within the Dem party. Today, the South is the GOP power base.
Fred was likely politically over with and done. He might have won but it would have been close. As a matter of fact he may not have made it past the primaries. There were two capable Republicans besides Alexander wanting that seat who may have challanged him. One was Ed Bryant former house manager the other former congressman Van Hilleary. Both would have done much better than Fred in the senate especially Bryant. His time out gave time for people with short memories to forget and drink the kool aide to be offered later. Now a question. Was Fred in private asked not to run so a Bush Buddy could have the job?
“Source please.”
“Fred was likely politically over with and done. He might have won but it would have been close. As a matter of fact he may not have made it past the primaries. There were two capable Republicans besides Alexander wanting that seat who may have challanged him. One was Ed Bryant former house manager the other former congressman Van Hilleary. Both would have done much better than Fred in the senate especially Bryant. His time out gave time for people with short memories to forget and drink the kool aide to be offered later. Now a question. Was Fred in private asked not to run so a Bush Buddy could have the job?”
So the source is YOUR OPINION?
That is all he's got. Facts just get in the way of his opinion. And he seems to know all, and is capable of mind reading too.
LOL. That's not a source, just a personal observation. Do you have something more authorative showing that Thompson, a two term incumbent who won his last election 61% to 37%, was in trouble in TN prior to running for a possible third term? A poll? Newspaper articles? You are long on opinion but short on facts.
I enlisted in 1976 and it wasn't good then either LOL. A military does not fly apart over night and in Feb 77 when I got to the ship it was a mess. When I left in Oct 80 things had changed quite a bit. Don't get me wrong Carter was a dunce I voted for Ford myself. But Carter addressed the military decline at least Navy wise and I remember the changes taking place and they were positive ones.
When I got there we had dysfunctional dress blues unsuitable for storage on ship especially for enlisted. They were an officers uniform variant actually that came out sometime in the 1970's not sure who did it but bad idea. The more functional and traditional Crackerjacks came back under Carter not Reagan. I know because for muster out sea-bag inspection I had to buy them.
Such things as the Bosuns whistle which were not heard in 1977 were used again on every ship. This is how morale was addressed. Lifers were asked to volunteer to come back and straighten the mess out. My last chief was one of them. Traditions were restored with that came a rise in morale to follow.
Retention became a serious issue and in 1980 $15,000 and next rank was a pretty good deal but E-4's and below who were married were still having it rough. The rampant AWOLs and desertion for a discharge after 30 days issue was resolved and here's how. You walked and they found you. Once found you faced a Court Martial. You were awarded brig time {usually 90 days} and a BCD. But it did not end there. The bad time was tacked on to your service obligation and they made certain every day was served that the person agreed to. Again that began under Carter. Reagan was handed a military on the mend because of it. It still had issues but positive change was made likely because of the Iranian crisis. Other than that I can not name you one other single thing James Earl Carter did right as POTUS.
I spent 8 years in the USN [1965-1972], including a year in Vietnam and another 8 months off the coast. The biggest change that happened in the military was the elimination of the draft and all volunteer force, which was put into effect by Nixon in July 1973. This was the source for the resurection of the military. Carter was the beneficiary. Reagan then provided the funds to rebuild it. You give Carter far too much credit.
Again, just the facts. Can you cite a poll to support your assertions/personal opinion?
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