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A Son’s Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee
NEWSWEEK ^ | Dec 15, 2007 | Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey

Posted on 12/17/2007 1:46:43 PM PST by Aristotelian

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To: jwh_Denver

Killing the dog by Huck’s kid was not trivial, but posting this years old story in an attempt to damage Huck...is nit-picking, and to me shows the desperation that the anti-Huck people are feeling.


121 posted on 12/18/2007 6:39:52 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (The MSM is bad, except when they suit our purposes..............)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Satan! Oh come now, are you anti-Huck people that desperate?


122 posted on 12/18/2007 6:41:26 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (The MSM is bad, except when they suit our purposes..............)
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To: Harrius Magnus

Thank you, I read the story when it happened, YEARS ago.


123 posted on 12/18/2007 6:42:08 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (The MSM is bad, except when they suit our purposes..............)
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To: Aristotelian

Why should his son have anything to do with whether he is good enough for President. If that is the case, we would not have President Bush. His girls went on a criminal spree when they were young. His brother had the S&L scandal. This should have no bearing whatsoever in who to chose for President. NO I AM NOT A HUCK SUPPORTER. NOT VOTING FOR HIM, BUT LIKE FAIRNESS IN ELECTIONS. I AM A DUNCAN HUNTER VOTER AND SUPPORTER!


124 posted on 12/18/2007 6:45:23 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: af_vet_rr

We’re talking about two separate issues. First is whether Huck’s son participated in torturing and killing a dog. There seems to be a pretty strong case for that, but as others have posted, blaming the father for the son’s misdeeds is a pretty cheap tactic.

The far more damning claim — and the one that’s uncorroborated — is that Huck interfered in the investigation. That would be a matter of official misconduct.


125 posted on 12/18/2007 6:45:49 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: MEGoody
The article indicates that no charges were ever filed, and yet Huck brought pressure to bear. For what? Perhaps it is a timing thing, and he didn't know they weren't going to press charges.

Putting that side (and it's hard to do that - it's pretty clear that Huckabee did something on his son's behalf) I can't believe Huckabee - he had the audacity to go on Larry King last night and say that the killing of the dog wasn't criminal. I don't know what kind of world he lives in, but if you or I took a dog, hung it up, slit it open, and threw rocks at it, I'm pretty sure we'd be answering to a judge.

Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/17/lkl.01.html
126 posted on 12/18/2007 7:07:50 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

No... but we do recognize evil when we see it.

LLS


127 posted on 12/18/2007 7:23:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: ReignOfError
The far more damning claim — and the one that’s uncorroborated — is that Huck interfered in the investigation. That would be a matter of official misconduct.

The local prosecutor wrote to the Arkansas State Police requesting help in determining whether or not state animal cruelty laws were broken. That's documented, and in the state archives. The Director of the Arkansas State Police did not grant the request, and again this is documented and in the state archives.

As a result, charges could not be filed, and again, this is documented, and in the county archives. From poking around, normally the request would have been granted, and the Arkansas State Police would have been involved since it was a state matter and since the determination would have been required for the local prosecutor to press charges.

Now we have the Director of the State Police saying that he was told not to grant the request, and an FBI agent backing him up. The Arkansas State Police have a fairly large history of being forced to help out Governors in matters that are...normally not discussed in polite company (we all remember Bill Clinton).

All I saw from Huckabee last night on Larry King was Huckabee focusing on his son becoming an Eagle Scout, and lying to the American public that it wasn't a criminal matter, downplaying how the dog was killed (he didn't deny that the dog was tortured, and this is very important), and that it didn't matter since he was a minor, and casting doubt on the State Police Director.

Just the fact that Huckabee lied on national TV last night about this being a criminal matter alone should set off alarms.

As I said elsewhere, if you or I hung a dog, slit them open, and threw rocks at it, you can damn sure bet that we'd be answering to a judge, and 17 years old is more than old enough to take responsibility. I could not believe that Huckabee told the American public last night that it basically didn't matter since his son was a minor.
128 posted on 12/18/2007 7:24:31 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: LibLieSlayer
I think you all need glasses.

Axel

129 posted on 12/18/2007 7:36:56 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (The MSM is bad, except when they suit our purposes..............)
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To: woofie
The dog deserved it

Please enlighten us. How did this stray dog deserve to be hanged, throat slit and stoned to death.

130 posted on 12/18/2007 8:23:50 AM PST by Rita Hayworth (Isn't being a God of his own planets enough for Romney, he has to be president too??!!)
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To: Aristotelian

Huckie’s spawn didn’t fall too far from the tree.


131 posted on 12/18/2007 8:30:00 AM PST by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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To: af_vet_rr
Putting that side (and it's hard to do that - it's pretty clear that Huckabee did something on his son's behalf)

Possibly, but what and when? And how can we be sure the former director isn't making this up to get back at Huck because he was fired?

he had the audacity to go on Larry King last night and say that the killing of the dog wasn't criminal.

I'll have to take your word for that since I don't watch Larry King. But since no charges were filed, perhaps it wasn't. (Remember, the director was fired, so he obviously didn't give in to whatever Huck was supposedly wanting.)

I'm not a Huck fan and won't be voting for him in the primary, but I think we need to be careful with the charges we levy against any candidate (even Rudy and Ronnie, whom I wouldn't vote for under any circumstances).

132 posted on 12/18/2007 9:31:58 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Possibly, but what and when? And how can we be sure the former director isn't making this up to get back at Huck because he was fired?

The only thing he could make up was that Huckabee leaned on him not to fulfill the request of the prosecuting attorney. Everything else is documented, or has witnesses. There was no logical reason for him to turn down the request of the attorney, since they are normally granted (they require the assistance of the state police).

I will admit that it would be easy to say that he was pressured by Huckabee and that is why he would not assist the local prosecutor, and that is why he kept his job for another seven months before being fired...

I'll have to take your word for that since I don't watch Larry King.

I posted the transcripts above, but I bet it'll be repeated this coming weekend.

But since no charges were filed, perhaps it wasn't.

Because they dealt with state laws, the local prosecutor could only file charges if they had the assistance of the state police in determining if state laws were broken. If the state police are ordered not to investigate, the local prosecutor cannot file charges.
133 posted on 12/18/2007 9:53:13 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
There was no logical reason for him to turn down the request of the attorney, since they are normally granted (they require the assistance of the state police).

Except he did. If he did so because Huck pressured him, why was he subsequently fired? It seems you are implying that the firing was not related to this, yet the article implies that it was.

Something's not right with the way this article is written, apparently.

134 posted on 12/18/2007 10:35:34 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Aristotelian

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135 posted on 12/18/2007 10:37:44 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: olivia3boys
"..a troop full of nasty, foul-mouthed, hazing, cruel, and undisciplined boys.."

The reason my son didn't join.

My own Scout experience was wholesome and rewarding, so needless to say, I was shocked that the boys of the later troop were so undiciplined. I didn't pressure him to join.

My son turned out much better anyway. U.S. Marine, Master's degree, family man, very good position with a widely-recognized firm.

Designer is very proud.

136 posted on 12/18/2007 10:50:37 AM PST by Designer
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To: Rita Hayworth
Please enlighten us. How did this stray dog deserve to be hanged, throat slit and stoned to death.

My comment was so outrageous I thought no one would take it seriously....especially coming from someone with a screen name of "woofie"....sadly I was wrong

137 posted on 12/18/2007 11:42:07 AM PST by woofie
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To: Colofornian

Instead of going into a long drawn out reply, let me just ask you one question. How popular was governor George Romney in Michigan and how much of his rule was directed from Utah?


138 posted on 12/18/2007 12:04:00 PM PST by ajay_kumar
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To: ajay_kumar
How popular was governor George Romney in Michigan and how much of his rule was directed from Utah?

You seriously want to compare the influential sphere of either Michigan or Massachusetts to the leader of the free world?

Don't leave it up to me to prophesy how long the arm of Salt Lake City would extend...'cause frankly I think it could be less dependent upon Mitt & more upon who the SLC "prophet" would be come 2009-2016.

The "Mitt" side of the equation could be defined thusly (based upon the temple oath he took):

He vowed that he would "consecrate himself, his time, talents and EVERYTHING he now has, or WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE, for the building up of the Kingdom of God here upon the earth, and FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ZION."

(Allow me to define "Zion" as the LDS PR Web site defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church.")

BTW, a side note here, I've noted the media, even conservative media people like Laura Ingraham & Hugh Hewitt over the past few days, defining Huckabee as a Baptist preacher who will cater primarily only to a Christian contistuency...Romney himself reinforced that accusation of Huckabee in response to an Ingraham question today...so I'm not sure why the conservative talk shows hosts & the MSM don't equally make the same charge of Mitt the 2-time LDS bishop & 1-time LDS stake presidency. How is it that Huckabee would only cater to a Christian constintuency but they don't simultaneously accuse Romney of catering to only a Mormon constituency? (Sounds like blatant hypocrisy & Christian bashing to me.)

As for the LDS "prophet" side of the equation, allow me to quote a former LDS "prophet" who served in the Eisenhower administration (be sure to note highlighted areas)...this comes from a speech @ BYU in 1980:

Ezra T. Benson was identifying 14 descriptors of an LDS "prophet" (Here are some of them…note particularly #8, #9, #10...& imagine a future LDS prophet consistently implementing these edicts from his so-called spiritual leader on earth):

1. The Prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything. The Doctrine and Covenants states, ‘We are to give heed unto all his words as if from the Lord’s own mouth.’”

3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet. The living prophet has the power of TNT [Today’s News Today]. The most important reading we can do is words of the prophet contained each week in the Church News or the Church magazines.”

5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. Sometimes there are those who feel their earthly knowledge on a certain subject is superior to the heavenly knowledge which God gives on a subject....We encourage earthly knowledge in many areas, but remember—if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet and you’ll be blessed, and time will vindicate you”

8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning. There will be times when you will have to choose between the revelations of God and the reasoning of men—between the politician or professor”

9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter—temporal or spiritual. In a meeting in Kirtland, Joseph Smith asked the elders to draw a line of demarcation between the spiritual and temporal so he could understand it. No one could do it. Then he said ‘...temporal and spiritual things are inseparably connected and ever will be.”

10. The prophet may be involved in civic matters. When people are righteous, they want the best to lead them in government. Great leaders in the Book of Mormon and in church history have been involved deeply in political matters. Those who would remove prophets from politics would take God out of government.”

14. The prophet and the president—the living prophet and the first presidency—follow them and be blessed; reject them and suffer.”

139 posted on 12/18/2007 12:33:31 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Every mormon I know and have known are very fine people,
and I have zero prejudice, suspicion, antagonism against mormons.

Again, having worked in American companies for 37 years which
survived by making profits, I have tremendous admiration for people like Romney who have proven executive skills.

On the other hand, people like Huckabee, McCain etc
have never spent a day in a survive by making a profit type private outfit. So my personal 1st choice is Romney. I am not a religious bigot against mormons or christians. I belong to the hindu religion. Please don’t come up with a long list of items you don’t like about hindu religion. This is not a religious board. This is a political board.

I am much more worried about pocket book issues since they affect my life and my family’s life more than what religion the president belongs to. So I prefer a candidate who in my opinion is the most capable in getting a handle on the financial mess our government is in.


140 posted on 12/18/2007 3:16:08 PM PST by ajay_kumar
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